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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

worewood wrote: post #204
LeonM wrote: post #70

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> let Ferrari do it's thing. Or trailer it to a certified dealership to have it reset there. This is a very Apple-like line of thinking. It's not a valid excuse.

Luxury car brands are Apple like. Reputation is everything. They don't want someone modifying the car causing it to fail and becoming a big news event. So many stories about explosive batteries and chargers on phones are the result of some dirt cheap china part being used but the news just reports "Product from corporation bursts in to flames"

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

temp667 wrote: post #253
bnycum wrote: post #66

The updates are pretty hilarious as well. Basically even after sending the tech the car is still bricked at the moment. Update 1: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9ji... Update 2: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn... There was also a story a few years back that is kinda similar in issue. A rental car was taken into a rural area but they couldn't restart the car as th…

This car is not bricked. Please - get a grip on the language being used. The anti-theft device has triggered and the car is in lockdown.

Is there a user control on the device to restore it? If not then it is bricked to that user. Bricked is relative to the users ability to fix it. At some level of skill and money nothing is "bricked" since you could replace or reflash anything.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by ag56 »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #312
temp667 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This car is not bricked. Please - get a grip on the language being used. The anti-theft device has triggered and the car is in lockdown.

Is there a user control on the device to restore it? If not then it is bricked to that user. Bricked is relative to the users ability to fix it. At some level of skill and money nothing is "bricked" since you could replace or reflash anything.

No, bricked is relative to _anybodies_ ability to fix it without replacing hardware.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by [deleted] »

kofejnik wrote: post #196
philjohn wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they're totally not, and saying that is dangerous. Go look at crash tests of "child car seats" that are nothing more than a box ticking exercise which uses the adult seat, versus a properly engineering seat and you'll see what you are completely wrong.

https://freakonomics.com/2007/01/05/we-are-not-the-only-ones...

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by kaitai »

lmm wrote: post #305
jethro_tell wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not the case. A 5 point harness is best. A car seat converts two or three point harness to a 5 point. Which is great, because those soft little bodies need as many touch points as is possible to spread the load of force. We know for a fact that the 5 point harness is the best, that is why race car drivers use 5 point harnesses instead of lap belts. The three point harness is a good compromise between the u…

Lap belts are far from useless; they get you probably 80% of the value of a three point harness. Yes, your torso will flop forward, but particularly for a child's body size there's very little for them to hit.

The heads of very small children are quite heavy relative to the child's size. The concern with a baby is not that they'll hit something, it's that the weight of their head relative to their body will result in spinal injuries.

Consider for instance the $34 million verdict in Texas against Dorel, which failed to warn against placing children under the age of two in forward-facing seats. The kid Cayden was properly restrained in the back seat, but the weight of his head alone was enough to result in spinal injuries that have left him partially paralyzed for life.

We used to laugh at my kid when kid tried to reach for things on the floor and then fell on their head due to the weight of the head relative to the rest of the body -- but that's why rear-facing and five-point is important for children under 2,3 years old.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by kaitai »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #260
PeterisP wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few women are of the expected size (5' 9" tall) aimed to represent the average male; most women automatically falls into the "too short / other-wise-outside-of-the-norm" as far as car safety testing was concerned until recently - AFAIK cars made since 2012 should be also tested on smaller, female-sized dummies which also created an incentive to alter how they are built.

Well if that's it then making a list of "too short, too tall, a woman" is double-counting. Also if you take it as exactly 5'9" then airbags aren't suitable for men either. What you need to do is examine the range it's designed for. It's not the average height that matters, it's what percent of men/women fall inside that range. There might be a significant difference in that percent, or there might not be.

That analysis has been done, and there is a significant difference in that amount. You can back-of-the-envelope it yourself if you know that the average height of a woman in the US is 5'4" with a standard deviation of about 3.5".

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

ag56 wrote: post #313
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a user control on the device to restore it? If not then it is bricked to that user. Bricked is relative to the users ability to fix it. At some level of skill and money nothing is "bricked" since you could replace or reflash anything.

No, bricked is relative to _anybodies_ ability to fix it without replacing hardware.

Almost all usage for bricked from before it become a mainstream word was meaning that the bootloader on a device had become overwritten or corrupt meaning it is no longer possible to fix using the usual firmware flash method.

This is still fixable if you knew how to access the flash chip directly and had a backup of its content.

Never have I seen bricked strictly mean that hardware has blown up.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by saalweachter »

jethro_tell wrote: post #297
tgb wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb question: how do race cars and their drivers handle "blind spots"? Edit to answer my own question: apparently they use spotters that radio in to them whether or not it's clear, and (at least in NASCAR) the cars don't have side mirrors but have an extra long rear view mirror.

They also only drive forwards which helps a lot. When I was a kid on the farm, all the transmissions in the grain trucks were modified so you could only go forward. Too many accidents driving backwards with bad sight lines. Its a strange thing at first but you get used to always parking with a forward exit.

And less of a modification on an older farm -- backing up horses was hard enough that many older farms will already be designed for one-way traffic, with all eg barns allowing you to pull through.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by stolen_biscuit »

temp667 wrote: post #253
bnycum wrote: post #66

The updates are pretty hilarious as well. Basically even after sending the tech the car is still bricked at the moment. Update 1: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9ji... Update 2: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn... There was also a story a few years back that is kinda similar in issue. A rental car was taken into a rural area but they couldn't restart the car as th…

This car is not bricked. Please - get a grip on the language being used. The anti-theft device has triggered and the car is in lockdown.

LMFAO this pedantic beyond belief. It's bricked, it's a paperweight. They lack the ability to fix it and move it. It's been bricked. Just because there's potential for it to be unbricked doesn't mean it's not been bricked.
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