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Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Is there any evidence for that? I know that for example women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because most car seats/interiors are designed around the average man so if be surprised if a human half didn't need to be raised or put in a safer position.

Don’t men get in more accidents?

It only looks that way because we get in more on-purposes.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. It was even more basic than that. They were installing a child's carseat for the owner, and I believe it was an anti-theft system that was triggered. The story reminded me a lot of the rental car that bricked itself because it lost cellular service - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/drive…

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> anti-temper device

I want one.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

> Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people. Which wouldn't happen. This is an anti-theft system. So are you saying that the anti-theft system would engage while the car is being driven for a while by the correct owner ? If that were the case, that would be an egregious defect that…

> So are you saying that the anti-theft system would engage while the car is being driven for a while by the correct owner ?

If it can happen during a car seat installation then it can happen six hours after a car seat installation when the plug comes loose, or makes proper contact for the first time since the seat was installed, or when you hear something rattle and pull over to try to fix it.

And even if it won't shut down while the vehicle is already in motion, if it does it the first time you stop to stretch your legs, you're still stranded.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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So what happens if someone tries to steal a car in a cark park?

They can joyride around inside the parking garage as long as they like.

So Ferris Bueller could have never happened.

Also, Ferrari's are useless in the apocalypse. I mean one benefit of the apocalypse is that maybe you could drive a Ferrari. Nope, they disable themselves when the grid goes down.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> The fact that the manufacturer can remote into their cars, does not automatically mean that the car is vulnerable to remote hacking.

I don’t see how that follows? The fact that someone can remote into your car is exactly what makes it vulnerable to remote hacking.

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post #221

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Ah, that's another good point. Turning your head happens a lot more in street driving than racing.

Dumb question: how do race cars and their drivers handle "blind spots"? Edit to answer my own question: apparently they use spotters that radio in to them whether or not it's clear, and (at least in NASCAR) the cars don't have side mirrors but have an extra long rear view mirror.

They also only drive forwards which helps a lot.

When I was a kid on the farm, all the transmissions in the grain trucks were modified so you could only go forward. Too many accidents driving backwards with bad sight lines. Its a strange thing at first but you get used to always parking with a forward exit.

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Ah, that's another good point. Turning your head happens a lot more in street driving than racing.

And also they're inconvenient and don't auto adjust. 3-point belts are made to be as quick and fool proof as possible so that people actually use them, and use them correctly. Importantly, they auto-retract so that they are worn in the proper position. When you put on 5-point belts, you have to 4 times as many latches to operate, and you have to adjust all 5 belts -- and in the proper order. If you tighten the belts…

Yeah, a 5 point would suck if you had a dress on.

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Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

You can frame it as regulatory capture, but to a large extent, it's more about environmental and consumer protections that the auto industry has spent decades fighting. As somebody who drives an ancient car, I'm keenly aware of its lack of safety features. The "american steel" argument falls flat; my car was made before the concept of crumple zones, much less airbags -- driving this boat, I'd be seriously injured or…

Also miss ABS/TRC/ESC that's done by computer.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Airbags are not designed with the bodies of children or infants in rear-facing carseats in mind. They're actually really dangerous for them - potentially lethal.

And most vehicles have methods to disable airbags when the item/person occupying the seat can not safely handle it. But if you want to get real sad, IIRC many airbag systems are not designed with an occupant outside the parameters of a typical adult male in mind. Some modern systems are getting better about this, but if you're too short, too tall, a woman, or other-wise-outside-of-the-norm, good luck.

It's worth noting that here in Australia cars have no such method, and you are not allowed to put a car seat in the front seat.

Equally when travelling as best I can tell all European cars have a method to do this and you can install in the front seat.

So this probably varies by country, but I am not sure which countries have what or where the USA is.

Without specifically checking I imagine that the Australian Design Rules basically wouldn't allow them to add the option even if they wanted to - if I had to guess because you're not allowed to have such a disable button (which you could argue could also be dangerous in some cases if pressed or used when it shouldn't be).

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