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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by toyg »

olivermarks wrote: post #141

This is such a vague reddit piece it's very hard to understand if the car is truly bricked or just needs to be towed to a place with signal. As a broader issue independent car repair garages are dying fast as more and more cars are manufactured with inaccessible DRM coupled with very expensive handshake hardware and software only dealers can own. This is a huge problem quite aside from the issue of what happens when…

I really hope this was an optional anti-theft device that can be removed or disabled. Otherwise, what would happen if Ferrari went bankrupt and shut down their servers, or changed protocol, or whatever? Wonderful by-then-classic cars would become completely unsalvageable, which would be such a shame.

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Post by encypruon »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #230
oconnor663 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This baby can go zero to sixty in three seconds flat."

For anyone wondering, assuming linear acceleration that's roughly 1 g. In a rear-facing seat, that's 1 g eyeballs-out, which should still be perfectly safe for the child, but possibly not for the cleanliness of the seat.

...and if you're wondering what 1g eyeballs out feels like, you can always try looking at your feet.

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Post by kube-system »

snazz wrote: post #221
mcguire wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's hard to look towards the rear quarters.

Ah, that's another good point. Turning your head happens a lot more in street driving than racing.

And also they're inconvenient and don't auto adjust.

3-point belts are made to be as quick and fool proof as possible so that people actually use them, and use them correctly. Importantly, they auto-retract so that they are worn in the proper position.

When you put on 5-point belts, you have to 4 times as many latches to operate, and you have to adjust all 5 belts -- and in the proper order. If you tighten the belts in the wrong order, they won't protect you properly. It is not intuitive -- I have a car with 5-points and the passengers who manage to figure out how to latch them almost universally tighten the belts wrong.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by PeterisP »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #224
nrmitchi wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And most vehicles have methods to disable airbags when the item/person occupying the seat can not safely handle it. But if you want to get real sad, IIRC many airbag systems are not designed with an occupant outside the parameters of a typical adult male in mind. Some modern systems are getting better about this, but if you're too short, too tall, a woman, or other-wise-outside-of-the-norm, good luck.

What goes wrong with a woman that is the expected size?

Very few women are of the expected size (5' 9" tall) aimed to represent the average male; most women automatically falls into the "too short / other-wise-outside-of-the-norm" as far as car safety testing was concerned until recently - AFAIK cars made since 2012 should be also tested on smaller, female-sized dummies which also created an incentive to alter how they are built.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by bleepblorp »

TwoBit wrote: post #208

That's not what bricking means. Bricking means -permanent- disablement.

That's an overly pedantic definition of bricking. The car's in state where is is unusable without intervention from the manufacturer. There's no technical difference between this an a 'bricked' motherboard, cell phone, or other piece of consumer electronics: the hardware is not destroyed, but it's unusable unless the manufacturer is willing to fix it.

The only difference between this bricked Ferrari and a phone bricked by a bad firmware update is that the Ferrari is worth enough that it's worth while for the manufacturer to fix it.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by paulmd »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #170
LeonM wrote: post #70

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

The way I understand it: "smart" everything is getting too clever for its own good. In your example, why not have a push-button override to allow the car to reset after seat installation? Soft-everything. I miss my hardware switches. - signed getting grumpy, getting old man

this is really intended as an anti-theft mechanism, screwing with the car will lock it up and require a call to support to unlock it. So a push-button override would defeat the purpose.

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Post by Hamuko »

gffrd wrote: post #117
birdyrooster wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

My first thought: imagine the geometry of trying to get a child into a car seat through a Ferrari door opening …

It's a convertible so it's probably pretty easy.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by forgot-pw »

agseward wrote: post #187
saiya-jin wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No but for tiny little newborns, all are. Something about not having proper muscle structure around spine to handle thrust forward during frontal (most common) crash. Also reason why you should never shake babies or expose them to any form of higher G. We're changing the child seat to front facing right now - our baby is 10 months old. It can be done little bit earlier but not too much.

You should actually hold off for longer > In 2018, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) released new recommendations for car seat safety. As part of these recommendations, they removed their previous age-based recommendation that children remain rear facing in car seats until the age of 2. > The AAP now suggests that children remain rear facing until they reach their rear-facing car seat’s weight/height limits wh…

My wife and I got into an argument about this when it was time to switch our kids car seat so I pulled up their recommendations and read their sources. Their cited evidence doesn't support their recommendation at all (nor did it when they first made the rec in 2011).

Their 2011 rear facing recommendation is based on a retracted article and their 2016 rec is based on the same article's data except using a smaller dataset which they acknowledge is not statistically significant. The only other data cited looks at rear facing Swedish children compared to _unbelted_ Swedish children.

I went back and reread it to make sure I was remembering right. I'm dumbfounded that this was allowed not only to stand as a rec, but was increased (deepened? made stronger?) when they had even less data than they did before. I get that it feels like it should be safer, but that's not science and I would have expected a group making medical and safety recs to maintain a higher standard.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/5/e201824...

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