Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

Post by bigwavedave » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 6:13 PM UTC

ranger207 wrote: post #166

bigwavedave wrote: post #71

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For my own edification, would you mind linking these posts you're referencing? The only comments on the reddit thread that I can find that say anything like that admit they're speculating, as opposed to the actual post which says the only thing that cell reception has to do with this is that the remote team can't access it remotely without cell reception (which is a no-brainer). This might be a more contrived example…

Here's the OP's comment from the final update: >>They couldn't do the remote reset once it was outside? I thought that was the original issue >Oh yeah, so nope. The fact it had no signal at the time of the tamper safeguard being triggered meant that remote recovery wasn't an option, even when we moved it into the open. Idk, an extra layer of theft protection I suppose. https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/c…

Post by philjohn » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

kofejnik wrote: post #158

nrmitchi wrote: post #134

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First, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari. But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the a…

except that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course

Post by kofejnik » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 6:18 PM UTC

jankiehodgpodge wrote: post #169

kofejnik wrote: post #158

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except that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course

Is there any evidence for that? I know that for example women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because most car seats/interiors are designed around the average man so if be surprised if a human half didn't need to be raised or put in a safer position.

Post by gambiting » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 6:21 PM UTC

justinclift wrote: post #181

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Look, I don't disagree with you, it's a problem - but I can guarantee that more Ferrari customers are affected by someone trying to steal their car than there are Ferrari customers driving through an unpopulated desert with no phone signal(and trying to do roadside repair). It's just a question of probabilities, and the first issue seems more important to solve. Besides, I think there's a certain fundamental misunder…

> but I'm certain it's also possible in-person with some kind of key/button input or some diagnostic device. Seems like you're giving Ferrari too much credit, as the engineer they sent out wasn't able to get it working (eg in-person). The car needed to be towed (back to Ferrari I guess).

Post by rasz » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 6:24 PM UTC

pmontra wrote: post #96

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> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

Failure modes and effect analysis [1] or let me do a computer security analogy: threat model. A desert should be considered for a Toyota Landcruiser, for a Ferrari it would be a low probability cell of the matrix. Stuck in a tunnel underground? More likely to happen. In a concrete building with people tampering the car? Even more likely. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_mode_and_effects_analy...