Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground • Hacker News Board

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by cosmotron » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:09 PM UTC

short_sells_poo wrote: post #5

sandworm101 wrote: post #2

No sympathy. Park at 45* across two spaces, even astride smaller motorcycle-sized spots, and you have lost all rights to complain about anything.

How do you know the person in question isn't renting both spots? And unfortunately renting two spots is often a requirement in Europe for example because the lot sizes tend to be so small that it is impossible to park with a wide car otherwise.

FWIW, it was confirmed that this was a bad parking job and was making things annoying for the employees.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9ji...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by smitty1e » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:11 PM UTC

aloukissas wrote: post #3

Analog cars uber alles :)

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer?

Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous.

Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by fb03 » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:12 PM UTC

aloukissas wrote: post #3

Analog cars uber alles :)

Jokes aside, cars have not been analog anymore for decades ;-(

Most stuff (even stuff that looks analog like the speed gauge) now runs thru buses and OBD allows you to tap into almost every controllable aspect of the car if you know the 'right api' for the device.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by LudwigNagasena » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:12 PM UTC

notsuoh wrote: post #14

schainks wrote: post #11

Couldn't some strategically placed cell repeaters solve the reception issue?

Yeah, but I think the broader point I'd that a car shouldn't be disabled like this in the first place due to no reception.

What’s the point of an anti-theft mechanism if it can be bypassed by turning off the Internet?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by LandR » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

Ferrari used to make really beautiful cars but their modern stuff just does nothing for me. I don't think they will age well.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by gambiting » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

mannykannot wrote: post #19

PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.

I think preventing your car from being stolen is an extremely basic issue - it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle, so yeah, I'm glad the car does this.

The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by ddingus » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #24

notsuoh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I think the broader point I'd that a car shouldn't be disabled like this in the first place due to no reception.

What’s the point of an anti-theft mechanism if it can be bypassed by turning off the Internet?

Seems like insurance is safer.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

mannykannot wrote: post #19

PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.

people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues

Is replacing the seats in your car basic?

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by fermienrico » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

mannykannot wrote: post #19

PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.

Can you write software of medium scale that is 100% bug free?

Edit: My point is - We shouldn't be making smart cars and TVs because there are always going to be bugs that are not forceable and can cause your device to brick. I wouldn't want a smart microwave or coffee maker.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by lb1lf » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 3:18 PM UTC

smitty1e wrote: post #22

aloukissas wrote: post #3

Analog cars uber alles :)

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

-Because you need volume to make car production economic. We're a small and, hence, neglected minority.

The product you want already exists, though - it is commonly referred to as the 70 series Land Cruiser. :)