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A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

skybrian wrote: post #120
ChuckMcM wrote: post #97

Heh, everything is better on Tubes whether it is guitar amps or gaming monitors? :-) I can pretty much assure you that with a 240Hz refresh rate 4K LCD monitor it will look better than your CRT :-) But it is perfectly valid to say "What is the best experience I can get for $X?" and find that CRT solutions out perform LCD solutions at various price points. That said, I suspect it is less about the "superiority" of the…

It seems like 4k is pretty darned wasteful part of the hedonic treadmill. At a more reasonable resolution, this processing power could be used for higher-end graphics algorithms, better AI, longer battery life, and so on.

Compared to what? A cheaper monitor? On a relative basis, spending $400 on a 4k monitor vs $250 on a similar 1440p monitor is wasteful. But if you compare to any other category of goods, it's a drop in the bucket. Most people don't even consider efficiency when adding thousands of dollars of options to a new car purchase. You can buy a lot of 4k monitors for the amount families spend on larger than needed houses throughout the suburbs of the United States.

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by ChuckMcM »

skybrian wrote: post #120
ChuckMcM wrote: post #97

Heh, everything is better on Tubes whether it is guitar amps or gaming monitors? :-) I can pretty much assure you that with a 240Hz refresh rate 4K LCD monitor it will look better than your CRT :-) But it is perfectly valid to say "What is the best experience I can get for $X?" and find that CRT solutions out perform LCD solutions at various price points. That said, I suspect it is less about the "superiority" of the…

It seems like 4k is pretty darned wasteful part of the hedonic treadmill. At a more reasonable resolution, this processing power could be used for higher-end graphics algorithms, better AI, longer battery life, and so on.

I don't disagree at all with this.

In an adjacent field, graphics, we used to debate spending cycles on simulating thing like lens flare, as if in a first person shooter you are wearing goggles with tubular optics? Sure it showed off mad math skilz but what was the point?

I do appreciate the lack of eyestrain for detail work on a high resolution CRT though.

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by bee_rider »

smusamashah wrote: post #69
officialjunk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is your minimum refresh rate needed for coding?

Scrolling would be painful on e-ink

This is why vim has multi-character movements.

The problem here doesn't seem that different from coding over a slow network, something that's been possible for quite a while.

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by titanomachy »

tuxracer wrote: post #139

Please don't let CRTs come back in style. After a while they tend to develop this headache inducing high pitched tone almost akin to tinnitus that is emitted constantly while they're powered on. It seems to be so high pitched most people cannot hear it at all but if you're one of the lucky few who can it can actually be really disruptive. Unfortunately it's also often loud enough to hear through doors, walls, etc...…

When I was a kid I would always hunt down and turn off CRTs left on anywhere in the house since the sound annoyed me so much. Either my hearing has gotten worse or all the CRTs are gone now... probably both.

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by jyoshi »

tuxracer wrote: post #139

Please don't let CRTs come back in style. After a while they tend to develop this headache inducing high pitched tone almost akin to tinnitus that is emitted constantly while they're powered on. It seems to be so high pitched most people cannot hear it at all but if you're one of the lucky few who can it can actually be really disruptive. Unfortunately it's also often loud enough to hear through doors, walls, etc...…

For the longest while I used this to tell my friends in high school I had a mini-superpower. Because I knew when there was a television on in the house, and somehow none of them heard it.

There is an old telly in my apartment, I turned it on to test it last week and heard the tone again, must have been like 18+ years since I last turned one of those on.

It never gave me headaches but I definitely heard (and still hear it) all the time.

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by saurik »

badsectoracula wrote: post #131
ChuckMcM wrote: post #97

Heh, everything is better on Tubes whether it is guitar amps or gaming monitors? :-) I can pretty much assure you that with a 240Hz refresh rate 4K LCD monitor it will look better than your CRT :-) But it is perfectly valid to say "What is the best experience I can get for $X?" and find that CRT solutions out perform LCD solutions at various price points. That said, I suspect it is less about the "superiority" of the…

> I can pretty much assure you that with a 240Hz refresh rate 4K LCD monitor it will look better than your CRT :-) Since you bring up the refresh rate, then i'd assume that you include motion in the "look better" - in which case, i can easily respond with "no, it absolutely does not". I have a CRT next to me which can do 120Hz at 640x480 (which is a low resolution but the CRT is also very small and i use it on a mid-…

I don't know what brand of LCD you might have, but do you have an opinion on the refresh rate settings? My Samsung 4k LCD has a feature I only a few days ago realized I had jacked up to "Fastest" as soon as I got it (from its default of "Standard"). It apparently does something wonky with the backlight? (And without it I think the published refresh rate is nowhere near accurate, as that's like the maximum if you are willing to accept the ramifications of this strobing?)

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Post by eikenberry »

freeqaz wrote: post #102
nottorp wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried that but looked like too much effort. Instead, I never turn off the room lights any more when using monitors. Seems good enough since oled is coming.

I use a normal desk lamp and point it at the wall behind my monitors. Super easy, cheap, and effective. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B083DG5CK1/

Same. I like this lamp for it.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XC5KNB6/

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by bee_rider »

everdrive wrote: post #38
ptx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They took up a huge amount of desk space though, which was quite inconvenient. But perhaps they could be made flatter?

The obsession with device thinness and smallness is a cancer. Engineering gets put into the wrong efforts, and cost, efficiency, and repair-ability are all damaged. Modern lcd screens seem to be the worst of this. The screen itself is quite thin, but then the base, and the cables coming out the back mean it’s still effectively 3-7 inches “thick.” The thinness accomplishes nothing, and has made the device worse.

The thinness makes it take a little less space if you lose the base and switch to an armature (which is generally nicer anyway).

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by pmiller2 »

tuxracer wrote: post #139

Please don't let CRTs come back in style. After a while they tend to develop this headache inducing high pitched tone almost akin to tinnitus that is emitted constantly while they're powered on. It seems to be so high pitched most people cannot hear it at all but if you're one of the lucky few who can it can actually be really disruptive. Unfortunately it's also often loud enough to hear through doors, walls, etc...…

You can often get a CRT to stop whining, at least for a little bit, by either turning it off for a few seconds, then back on; or degaussing it. At least that's my memory of the situation. I haven't owned a CRT monitor in 20 years, and I don't miss that 90-lb monster one bit. That may be because I carried it up stairs a few too many times. :-)

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by knuthsat »

jyoshi wrote: post #145
tuxracer wrote: post #139

Please don't let CRTs come back in style. After a while they tend to develop this headache inducing high pitched tone almost akin to tinnitus that is emitted constantly while they're powered on. It seems to be so high pitched most people cannot hear it at all but if you're one of the lucky few who can it can actually be really disruptive. Unfortunately it's also often loud enough to hear through doors, walls, etc...…

For the longest while I used this to tell my friends in high school I had a mini-superpower. Because I knew when there was a television on in the house, and somehow none of them heard it. There is an old telly in my apartment, I turned it on to test it last week and heard the tone again, must have been like 18+ years since I last turned one of those on. It never gave me headaches but I definitely heard (and still hea…

Yep. I experienced this too. My left ear hears 22kHz to this day and I could hear even even plasma TVs.
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