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Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by mmm_grayons »

Lev1a wrote: post #164
mmm_grayons wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, why do you think they've been trying to progressively restrict guns for years?

Firearms make it easy/way easier to kill/seriously injure * a large number of people * from a distance * with basically no effort With knives on the other hand it's hard (especially for untrained attackers) killing/injuring * even a low number of people (IF even more than one) * from arm's reach * with large physical effort. Following that firearm restriction to those who may actually need them (law enforcement etc.)…

That doesn't matter. How many people does something have to be able to kill before being banned? The truck attack in France was deadlier than any mass shooting in America.

There are costs to freedom, including the potential for abuse. Just like predictive policing is wrong because it goes after those who haven't committed crimes, banning guns is wrong. The death of a ten, a hundred, a thousand, or more people doesn't justify restricting liberty. All guns ought to be legal.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by orwin »

mrtksn wrote: post #165
orwin wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is a big deal then? Unusable area? Mining coal or rare earth for solar panel already do that for you on a two order of magnitude difference at least (not counting detroyed montaintops and water pollution). Population displacement? Yeah, again an order of magnitude inferior to dammage caused by mining (this time counting water pollution). Not counting when hydro power fail: two order of magnitude differential jus…

Lots of whataboutism here. In that vein let’s re-introduce asbestos because smoking kills much more people and doesn’t even insulate anything. Anyway, the big issue is that it could have been(and still can be) much worse. it’s a scalable disaster with consequences outlasting human generations. If you need heroic efforts and enormous resources to contain something and there’s a possibility of that not succeed then you…

> Lots of whataboutism here.

Yes, but im sorry, the discussion is not "nuclear or not nuclear", its nuclear energy or another form of energy

> Anyway, the big issue is that it could have been(and still can be) much worse. it’s a scalable disaster with consequences outlasting human generations. If you need heroic efforts and enormous resources to contain something and there’s a possibility of that not succeed then you don’t want it happen and it’s a big deal.

No, no civil nuclear incident can't be worst than Chernobyl. Right now or in the future. There is no reactor that is using graphite anymore. Even if we lost suddenly all knowledge. Fukushima however, why not. But if its not happening in the next 50 years, it won't happen after with Gen3 and Gen3+ designs. You can argue than gen3+ designs have a greater surface of attack and are no better than gen3 and i could reluctantly agree, however i think a core catcher is a must have on new designs. We never know what can happen, what if we suddenly lost all knowledge on how to operate a fission plant?

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by innocenat »

elmo2you wrote: post #154

> Security alliance worries encrypted messaging apps can be used by bad actors Same goes for kitchen knives. I don't hear them call for banning those, or have every sale of one tracked and monitored (which would only illustrate the lunacy of their "argument" even more).

You are joking, but it's illegal in Japan to carry a locked-blade knives or folding knives with blade longer than 5.5cm. You need a solid reason to carry those, like if you just buy it from the shop (in the original package), or if you are a chef, etc.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by corobo »

mmm_grayons wrote: post #171
Lev1a wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firearms make it easy/way easier to kill/seriously injure * a large number of people * from a distance * with basically no effort With knives on the other hand it's hard (especially for untrained attackers) killing/injuring * even a low number of people (IF even more than one) * from arm's reach * with large physical effort. Following that firearm restriction to those who may actually need them (law enforcement etc.)…

That doesn't matter. How many people does something have to be able to kill before being banned? The truck attack in France was deadlier than any mass shooting in America. There are costs to freedom, including the potential for abuse. Just like predictive policing is wrong because it goes after those who haven't committed crimes, banning guns is wrong. The death of a ten, a hundred, a thousand, or more people doesn't…

Ok but how about if you combine all truck attacks vs all shootouts

Not like Americans can do anything with the guns. You gonna stop what's happening right now with your pistol? Go on then. Literally the time to shine that liberty. You've got a guy threatening to be Hitler 2.0 (hi Godwin!) and making moves towards that.. nothing

Oh they'd just make it worse? Maybe you shouldn't have them so easily accessible then

https://www.theonion.com/search?q=%E2%80%98No%20Way%20To%20P...

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by anonymouszx »

soraminazuki wrote: post #146
fsflover wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop spreading learned helplessness and donate to Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://eff.org .

Yes, but the EFF’s main focus is the US. What could people in the remaining five countries do?

In France for instance you can donate to laquadrature.net. They do a really great job given their small size. You will probably find similar associations in other European countries.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by GordonS »

fsflover wrote: post #119
actuator wrote: post #106

As much as I hate it, I think this battle is already lost. Be it a social media company like Facebook or a computing devices company like Apple. They are going to kowtow to the wishes of the state to earn their profits. Also, I don't think it is just the state. There is no way to know if they are in majority but I am sure many people also buy into this argument. If you argue for encryption and antonymity, I am sure s…

Please stop spreading learned helplessness and donate to Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://eff.org .

It's hard not to feel helpless.

Consider the Iraq war. The largest worldwide protests the world has ever seen, but the US and UK didn't give a shit. Saddam didn't have WMDs, so the US and UK governments made up "evidence". The UN vote failed, so the US strong armed the UK into joining them in a ploy to blackmail UN members for votes. The US and UK went to war anyway, even though the UK's own legal advisor had previously thought it illegal - funnily enough, he had a complete u-turn after a visit to the US. How many killed as a result? How many children maimed? And for what, to score political points and further line the pockets of the rich and powerful.

And what consequences for all of this corruption, for all of the lies to the people of the US and UK? Nothing.

Western governments, and their security apparatus, particularly in the US and UK, are utterly and completely corrupt, broken. They are so good at controlling the narrative that most of the populace doesn't even have a clue what is going on, and would give half a shit even if they did.

We are well and truely fucked.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by concordDance »

aikinai wrote: post #126
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #6

1. How is this really different to government-mandated microphones and cameras in your house, school, workplace, etc? 2. What’s the endgame here? Open-source encrypted messaging software is widely available. The cat is out of the bag. Every country on Earth could outlaw the technology and it would still be trivially easy for criminals to use it. Do the people behind these proposals not see that?

The right-wing terrorists they just arrested in Michigan posted about their plans in private Facebook groups. This is probably much more common than criminals with any understanding of OPSEC. They’re not smart, but they’re still dangerous. Not that I’m arguing for these backdoors; just pointing out that “but criminals can still encrypt their messages” is mostly irrelevant.

Not sure "terrorist" is the right term here given the main objective isn't to spread fear or make a point, but to kidnap (and kill?) an elected politician.

If Al-Qaeda had genuinely wanted to harm the US financial system as their main goal, flying into the twin towers wouldn't have been terrorism as it wouldn't be about terror.

Though I'm unsure of a good term that encompasses violent action against the state...

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by the-dude »

elmo2you wrote: post #154

> Security alliance worries encrypted messaging apps can be used by bad actors Same goes for kitchen knives. I don't hear them call for banning those, or have every sale of one tracked and monitored (which would only illustrate the lunacy of their "argument" even more).

Already happening in several city centres in NL : all knives are forbidden, even if you are a tradesman(?) like carpenters etc.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by NeutronStar »

the-dude wrote: post #178
elmo2you wrote: post #154

> Security alliance worries encrypted messaging apps can be used by bad actors Same goes for kitchen knives. I don't hear them call for banning those, or have every sale of one tracked and monitored (which would only illustrate the lunacy of their "argument" even more).

Already happening in several city centres in NL : all knives are forbidden, even if you are a tradesman(?) like carpenters etc.

How do you cut anything?

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by NeutronStar »

innocenat wrote: post #173
elmo2you wrote: post #154

> Security alliance worries encrypted messaging apps can be used by bad actors Same goes for kitchen knives. I don't hear them call for banning those, or have every sale of one tracked and monitored (which would only illustrate the lunacy of their "argument" even more).

You are joking, but it's illegal in Japan to carry a locked-blade knives or folding knives with blade longer than 5.5cm. You need a solid reason to carry those, like if you just buy it from the shop (in the original package), or if you are a chef, etc.

I can't go to work with a steak knife?
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