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Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by mrtksn »

martinko wrote: post #88
mrtksn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to get into a death toll deal discussion but people killed by KGB and Stasi is just as low. A politician here a journalist there, people looking at death toll statistics must be wondering what was the big deal about Stasi, Chernobyl, KGB, Fukushima and so on.

> I don't want to get into a death toll deal discussion but people killed by KGB and Stasi is just as low. You cant be serious.

Please correct me If you believe otherwise. But no indirect deaths please, the nuclear folks don't count these too. No inconveniences, life altering, career ending troubles, those don't appear on the only "few died due to nuclear accidents" statistics too.

To be clear, I am not anti-nuclear however I don't buy the "Chernobyl and Fukushima are note big deal" message that the low death toll numbers convey.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by 082349872349872 »

vkou wrote: post #32
CameronNemo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I rent my apartment, the government can compel a landlord to place recording devices in the residence without serving me a warrant?

It could, if there weren't a century or two of legal precedent for treating your home differently from your phone calls.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24541163 suggests an alternative may be to arrange for your current neighbours to discover a deal on a (nicer/bigger/better located) apartment ... and then, when they move out, place recording devices there.

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Post by DarthGhandi »

082349872349872 wrote: post #80
odessacubbage wrote: post #68

five eyes is exactly what you would call the secret evil organization in a super robot anime

I prefer to think of five eyes + japan (+ india + south africa + south korea + ...) as Oceania.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, also that's already a phrase used to describe a particular region comprising only of two countries you've mentioned (out of 8+)

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by DarthGhandi »

abellerose wrote: post #66

I live my life assuming everything already has a backdoor and the article title is misleading the populace. Sure, the Five Eyes and Japan might be asking for a backdoor but I postulate the chance they don't already have access to all information they desire is zero. At this point everything is just meant to wear everyone down and increase tolerance until the day "government has access to everything" doesn't matter to…

They need to make it legal to bring it up in court, it's pretty clear and there's decades of evidence that they are happy to break laws themselves to get the job done, despite caring about privacy I'm not that fussed really. Parallel construction has it's merits and for the most part cops want to improve society, especially for the most dangerous cases.

That said, a scary amount of digital crime cases get dropped by the FBI when they are faced with some scrutiny. Their reasoning really doesn't hold up when they justify it either, got a bit of smell about it.

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Post by leadingthenet »

DarthGhandi wrote: post #94
082349872349872 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer to think of five eyes + japan (+ india + south africa + south korea + ...) as Oceania.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, also that's already a phrase used to describe a particular region comprising only of two countries you've mentioned (out of 8+)

It’s a 1984 reference.

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Post by mistermann »

mrtksn wrote: post #47
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #6

1. How is this really different to government-mandated microphones and cameras in your house, school, workplace, etc? 2. What’s the endgame here? Open-source encrypted messaging software is widely available. The cat is out of the bag. Every country on Earth could outlaw the technology and it would still be trivially easy for criminals to use it. Do the people behind these proposals not see that?

> How is this really different to government-mandated microphones and cameras in your house, school, workplace, etc? The difference is that the infrastructure is in place and can be turned on at will so it feels within the reach of the people who think they deserved to do that. They think that deserve it because they believe that the job they do is the most important thing in the world and they can suddenly gain acce…

What a good point.

And every individual at each level within the system rationalizes that they are doing the right thing (because in many ways, they are doing things that can be justified as genuinely useful, within a limited perspective - which coincidentally, is the one that most people see), or doesn't think about such things because they have enough shit to worry about in their lives right now.

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Post by 082349872349872 »

sneak wrote: post #59
jgaa wrote: post #53

With governments consistently landing on the wrong side of good, no wonder people seek comfort in things like qanon.

I don’t think one has anything to do with the other; there have been movements and memes throughout millennia that tell people that they’re on to the righteous truth that nobody else can see but them and their meme-peers. The rapture will be here any day.

Obviously it's been, and we've just been left behind. Either that, or the astonishing popularity of goatees means we're in the Star Trek Mirror Universe.

More seriously, here's some seventeenth century righteous truth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23859546

What, obscenity, adultery, civil commotion, conspiracy, blasphemy, subversion and lunacy? Burn the Quakers!

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Post by henearkr »

Japan is slowly becoming an authoritarian nightmare.

It already has laws to protect state secrets and prosecute alleged attempted conspiracies, and laws to compel any news outlet to never report any government-aimed criticism without always meticulously counterbalancing it with the same amount of positive praise (!).

Also the recent rejection, by the prime minister, of scientific committee appointees, without willing to give any reason, is baffling.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Post by vmception »

AYBABTME wrote: post #67
vmception wrote: post #26

All they have to do is create a "user analytics package" which happens to read client side text. We would never know if it was implemented or not. Alternatively they can look at existing analytics packages and look at the dependency graph and take over one of those to capture the screen and read info.

We'd know by merely looking at the network tab in the web inspector.

This is about its whatsapp product, which is predominantly mobile app based and easier to hide in an update.
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