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Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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Crime will be the price that a free society pays. We need a certain tolerance of petty crime if we are going to truest be free.

That sounded sort of vacuous to me at first, but I think it’s a genuinely good point.

I think human nature or whatever you want to call it is always going to mean that some number of people don’t follow The Rules to some degree, and that achieving 100% perfect rule adherence should not necessarily be the one and only goal of society.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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post #22

Isn't it obvious how the widespread knowledge that the government can read everything you do online - your FB posts, your emails, your texts - contributes to the erosion of trust in government and institutions? As an anecdote, I went to DEFCON last year. I was at a blackjack table and surrounded by midwestern salt-of-the-earth types. I had my badge on which flashed lights, and someone asked if I was "one of those com…

>Is not privacy a fundamental American principle? What the hell happened?

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty and we have not been vigilant.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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post #46

Crime will be the price that a free society pays. We need a certain tolerance of petty crime if we are going to truest be free.

What you have to tolerate in non-free societies can be far worse. It's just not called "crime". History is full of examples.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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post #46

Crime will be the price that a free society pays. We need a certain tolerance of petty crime if we are going to truest be free.

This comment seems to ignore crimes committed by the government in bulk against the people.

Surveillance societies have a lot more crime, it’s just carried out by a single set of uniformed groups.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. How is this really different to government-mandated microphones and cameras in your house, school, workplace, etc? It's different because you're voluntarily giving information to a third party (Facebook), which the government is asking to share with police. You may not agree with it, but that's the difference. It's a pretty substantial one.

So if I rent my apartment, the government can compel a landlord to place recording devices in the residence without serving me a warrant?

Depends under which jurisdiction. The Swedish ambassador to North Korea complained to his secretary that the driveway outside was still full of snow. He was about to order some of his own men out, but minutes later a bunch of North Korean labourers appeared and cleared all the snow away in front of his embassy, including the driveway. When he asked the secretary, she told him that she hadn't called anyone. Then they both stared suspiciously at the flower pot.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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post #53

With governments consistently landing on the wrong side of good, no wonder people seek comfort in things like qanon.

I don’t think one has anything to do with the other; there have been movements and memes throughout millennia that tell people that they’re on to the righteous truth that nobody else can see but them and their meme-peers.

The rapture will be here any day.

Re: Five Eyes and Japan call for Facebook backdoor to monitor crime

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post #50

1. How is this really different to government-mandated microphones and cameras in your house, school, workplace, etc? 2. What’s the endgame here? Open-source encrypted messaging software is widely available. The cat is out of the bag. Every country on Earth could outlaw the technology and it would still be trivially easy for criminals to use it. Do the people behind these proposals not see that?

> it would still be trivially easy for criminals to use it Maybe it's not about the criminals? Governments have a tendency to seek to increase control of citizens, surveillance being part of it. Saying it's about "tools for terrorists and child traffickers" is the traditional rethorical ploy no-one can argue against. You wouldn't want to protect child traffickers would you?

Beware, government is not those who command it. If there was some real democracy out there where citizens all should be actively implicated in the government (as opposed to supposedly delegate it), then what would it mean to have citizen wanting to increase control on citizen?
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