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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by rajlego »

sradman wrote: post #31
bd_beats wrote: post #26

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Anki's SRS algotihm is based on SM2 and is woefully outdated in comparison to SM's SRS algo. Additionally SM is much more feature rich once you get into incremental reading and fully optimizing your learning experience. Sure the UI isn't a nice flashy Electron.js app, but SM is a titan compared the terminate that is Anki.

I was thinking of platform support [1]: > The method is available as a computer program for Windows, Windows CE, Windows Mobile, (Pocket PC), Palm OS (PalmPilot), etc. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperMemo

Yeah, that's definitely a problem. I will say though, if you use a VM you can get a not too bad experience on both mac and linux (I've tried both and found it usable enough for daily use).

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by orzig »

chrisweekly wrote: post #47
pleasesurfmore wrote: post #5

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That resonates with my own experience. I walked away from a bad relationship and my mental stamina, as you call it, improved dramatically. Memory is better, I am much more active and confident. I still have a very demanding job, so maybe I should change that as well.

See also "The Happiness Equation" which boils down to "Be happy first." NOT: Hard work -> success -> happiness RATHER: Happiness -> best work -> success

Definitely worth keeping in mind, although it is important to remember but these are not a linear series of checkboxes. You’re going to have fluctuating quality of work, happiness, success every single week, month and year. It is also very possible that the causality runs in both directions.

The universe is complex, and ice really don’t have it all figured out, but acknowledging that complexity will prevent a lot of theory induced blindness!

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by wenc »

rajlego wrote: post #78
wenc wrote: post #67

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So, SRS algorithms are such that the more you try to get the optimality, the more the returns diminish because there's significant variability in the human population (bias-variance tradeoff sort of applies). The Ebbinghaus curve itself is a very crude approximation. See this: https://languagelearning.stackexchange.com/questions/3757/wh... (I'm a language learner and an active user of SRS) The notion of an outdated a…

Have you tried SuperMemo? Intervals matter because they correlate with rep loads. The more accurate the intervals, the lower daily rep loads can be. The SuperMemo creator has spent 3 decades and collected plenty of data, it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't be able to improve on an algorithm from 1990.

I admit I have not.

SRS isn't my main method for learning -- I use a variety of other methods. I only use SRS for (independent and disconnected) atomic-type knowledge that I need to drill. My rep loads are generally not onerous, so it's not a problem that necessarily affects me too much.

(Example: I learn through cognitive dissonance so I use it primarily to deprogram certain associations in my head. For instance, the word "oficina" looks like "office" to my English brain, but the word actually means "mechanic's workshop" in Portuguese. Or "pretender", which looks like pretend in English, actually means "intend". SRS helps me drill the Portuguese meaning into my skull. I use SRS to memorize bits of knowledge that don't fit anywhere and that are hard to create a context for.)

I have looked into SuperMemo in the past because I was attracted to the prospect of a general pro-level memorization tool. I use complex pro tools all the time and was not fazed by the learning curve, but I felt the UI was, let's say, overfitted to the creator's personal preferences.

It was a purely emotional decision but I knew I wouldn't use it regularly, and the best SRS tool is one that one would use over one that one would not.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by eriktrautman »

DjiboutiJon wrote: post #68
zemvpferreira wrote: post #64

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I remember reading the article a few years ago (unfortunately down right now) and being struck at both how erudite and impractical it is. These days I find it even more of the later. My biggest pet peeve is that it ignores the role technology (in the form of artificial light and comfortable indoor space) completely subverts our natural sleep cycle. It's a lost battle. Better to accept that we're in an artificial stat…

I think it is great you found something that works for you. The main point of both your comment + the article (which, I also haven't been able to read yet) is that you need to find what works for you by trying things. Personally, melotonin only gives me 6 hours of sound sleep (many times I have tried to get more, last night being one of them). But in 6 hours from sleeping almost like clockwork I will be awake- and qu…

I have the same problem with melatonin — it seems like artificial sleep because when I wake up 4-5 hours later, my body really doesn’t want to fall back asleep.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by jmnicolas »

japhyr wrote: post #76
muzani wrote: post #58

This has been one of my favourite articles for years, on the reading list, but never had the time to fully read such a behemoth. Some stuff I got out of this: 1. The ideal sleep pattern is sleeping when tired and walking up without an alarm. 2. Biphasic is recommended. Homeostatic is how easy it is to initiate sleep, circadian is how easy it is to maintain it. Circadian cycle is usually nightly, homeostatic peaks wit…

I committed to living without an alarm clock in college, 20+ years ago. I fought long battles with my snooze button, and realized I was spending hours each morning hitting the snooze button. I realized if I just didn't set an alarm I'd probably get up later than I usually set my alarm for, but earlier than I typically got out of bed. It worked; I started waking up refreshed, and happy to get out of bed in the morning…

This doesn't work for me. Left to my own schedule, I go to bed later and later and wake up later and later.

The thing that works for me is waking up (with an alarm) every day at the same time (6 o'clock) including week-ends.

I have a "dawn simulator" clock so most of the time I'm already awake when the alarm rings. But no matter what, when it rings I get out of bed immediately. You snooze you loose!

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by jmnicolas »

DjiboutiJon wrote: post #68
zemvpferreira wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember reading the article a few years ago (unfortunately down right now) and being struck at both how erudite and impractical it is. These days I find it even more of the later. My biggest pet peeve is that it ignores the role technology (in the form of artificial light and comfortable indoor space) completely subverts our natural sleep cycle. It's a lost battle. Better to accept that we're in an artificial stat…

I think it is great you found something that works for you. The main point of both your comment + the article (which, I also haven't been able to read yet) is that you need to find what works for you by trying things. Personally, melotonin only gives me 6 hours of sound sleep (many times I have tried to get more, last night being one of them). But in 6 hours from sleeping almost like clockwork I will be awake- and qu…

Have you tried bi-phasic sleep patterns? You could for example get 6 hours at night and a couple hour in the day as a big nap.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by admax88q »

jmnicolas wrote: post #86
japhyr wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I committed to living without an alarm clock in college, 20+ years ago. I fought long battles with my snooze button, and realized I was spending hours each morning hitting the snooze button. I realized if I just didn't set an alarm I'd probably get up later than I usually set my alarm for, but earlier than I typically got out of bed. It worked; I started waking up refreshed, and happy to get out of bed in the morning…

This doesn't work for me. Left to my own schedule, I go to bed later and later and wake up later and later. The thing that works for me is waking up (with an alarm) every day at the same time (6 o'clock) including week-ends. I have a "dawn simulator" clock so most of the time I'm already awake when the alarm rings. But no matter what, when it rings I get out of bed immediately. You snooze you loose!

I think the key point from OP was paying closer attention the when they went to sleep.

If you know you have to be up by X then be sure to go to bed at X-Y. I would imagine the struggle is winding down for bed early rather than waiting till you "feel tired" to go to sleep. Artificial light and stimulation makes it easy to stay up way later than intended.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by codemac »

jmnicolas wrote: post #86
japhyr wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I committed to living without an alarm clock in college, 20+ years ago. I fought long battles with my snooze button, and realized I was spending hours each morning hitting the snooze button. I realized if I just didn't set an alarm I'd probably get up later than I usually set my alarm for, but earlier than I typically got out of bed. It worked; I started waking up refreshed, and happy to get out of bed in the morning…

This doesn't work for me. Left to my own schedule, I go to bed later and later and wake up later and later. The thing that works for me is waking up (with an alarm) every day at the same time (6 o'clock) including week-ends. I have a "dawn simulator" clock so most of the time I'm already awake when the alarm rings. But no matter what, when it rings I get out of bed immediately. You snooze you loose!

Luckily I went through a similar experience in college, so when I got rid of the alarm I slowly but surely looped around a bit, until I got the napping right.

However - then I started a job where I had to travel between time zones, and I still haven't figured out how to get the body to know that it's traveled quickly other than mealtime & nap manipulation the day before, and even then I still need alarms.

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