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Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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I agree. For example, they'll whip out ableist slurs like "crazy" at a moment's notice. It's tedious.

Is cute that you find it so tedious that you went through my post history.

Post history? You complained about it a few posts up in this thread.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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What will Twitter do when the President loses the election, as he is likely to, and then immediately takes to Twitter to proclaim that a fraud has been perpetrated, as he is virtually certain to do in that scenario? Will they really just tag his claims with a "this is misleading?" Or will they take the approach that is most certain to preserve order, and ban the President? This is not a drill. This is a question that…

> uncontroversially harmful speech

How can such a thing possibly exist? Speech is only harmful when people disagree about it, which makes it necessarily controversial.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amp…

> >Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. I don't know if a Twitter PM will read this, but showing Likes in my feed — and not having an option to turn it off in the official mobile app client — is one big reason I stopped consuming tweets. It's a shame that the only way to opt out…

At least the Twitter client on Android lets you switch to the "Latest Tweets" timeline (via that "Star" icon in the top-right corner - same as on the web client) which doesn't have all the "engagement features" of the "Home" timeline (like showing "xxx liked"). IFIR twitter automatically switched back to the Home timeline after a little while, but eventually it seems to learn to stay on the Latest Tweets timeline.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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> >Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. I don't know if a Twitter PM will read this, but showing Likes in my feed — and not having an option to turn it off in the official mobile app client — is one big reason I stopped consuming tweets. It's a shame that the only way to opt out…

For the love of god, you read tweets you don't consume them. Please fight back against this appalling trend of word-wankery.

I haven't boycotted Twitter entirely, so writing that I've stopped reading tweets would have been inaccurate.

I have, however, stopped reading tweet after tweet via the home feed habitually. I think it's fair to say that I've been consuming them.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amp…

>how they can square I don't think its that illogical to argue there's a time sensitive component. False news is the price you pay for breaking news sometimes. Its fine in the long run, but the argument is during an election the risk is too great.

"False news is the price you pay for breaking news"

It has nothing to do with 'breaking news' it's just people lying, which they will do all the time.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #147

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That makes no sense to me. Do you think social networks would be less toxic and less abused if all the devs at Facebook or Twitter were apolitical? How would that work? It's the quest for "engagement" and getting always more users and ad views that generates this situation. What can be used to sell you shoes and earphones can also be used to sell you political ideas. When the algorithm wants to show you some inflamma…

Well, Paul Graham, YC founder seems to agree with me: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1310583298666696705 Edit: To clarify, he is saying the right way ahead for companies is to be apolitical, or, "mission-founded". Coinbase offered employees not comfortable with the non-political mission-founded way exit packages: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24636899

There's a difference between corporate culture being 'apolitical' - and the responsibility of a large curated network to worry about misinformation.

Dang will kick you off HN for all sorts of reasons - that's his right, and it's generally not 'political'.

It's hard to ban 'fake news' without maybe getting possibly political, but it's not rocket science.

There are already all sorts of things on FB and Twitter that are censored, and it shouldn't be 'political'. If you say you want to murder someone, well, then that's a problem.

Now email that's different. If you want to be a moron over completely private network, or, you want to be a moron on your own website, then go ahead.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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They are nuking them right now (temporarily). It's not just being discussed, it's being done . But most of the time people like getting content recommended. It's what consumers want.

As someone who's worked at a big social media company — no, that's not at all what consumers want. They want chronological feeds with zero garbage mixed in. It's okay to have a separate recommendations feed, some (not all!) people want to discover new things, but it's totally not okay to meddle with the main one, and it's nothing but mockery to give users no control over it. People also want their preferences respect…

Well I guess it depends on making a distinction between what consumers think they want, versus what they actually do.

Yes, people say they don't want recommendations, because 95% of them are irrelevant.

But then the 5% (or 2% or 0.5%) turn out to be super-relevant, and they find new people to follow that they love, and learn about things they love, and the experience in the end turns out to be a net positive.

Their actions show that it's valuable in the end. Otherwise the feature wouldn't exist at all. Recommendations aren't advertisements, sites don't make money off them -- sites use them because people genuinely find things that lead them to use the sites more.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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This is the amazing duality of social networking: as soon as it becomes topic specific , the quality of discussion improves in direct corellation to how technical the topic gets. The moment the conversation is just general babble, anonymous / pseudonymous people will find things to argue about.

I sadly don’t find this to be true. The caustic subjects in all disciplines get talked about more and recommended more. I made the mistake of watching some flight videos and now get recommended crash montages all the time. I watched the C++ con talk on “OO considered harmful” and now have an inordinate amount of bullshit in my feed. It feels kind of crazy that my YouTube recommendations took such a downturn suddenly.

Yup. I'd love to live inside my own bubble filter.

Does anyone do personalization well?

I worked on team that was trying to transition from recommendations to personalization (fashion retailer with ecommerce, think Macys Nordstrom etc).

Our imagined gold standard was the expert sales person, the personalized shopper. So somehow figure out how to make a digital sales person. Like StitchFix or Trunk Club. Curation at scale.

But I couldn't even figure out how to solve my own ultimate shopping challenge: recommend a quality white t-shirt that fits.

Though I doubt it, maybe StitchFix has cracked this nut. If they (or someone) has, we need to distill their magic and apply it more generally.

(I haven't tried Spotify or Apple Music. I've heard their personalization efforts are pretty good, so I'm semi-curious.)

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Oh, and a post script, while I'm chewing on this topic.

I have a theory why quality personalization isn't likely to become the norm. I can't yet imagine how it'd displace today's biz models. Targeted advertising has sucked up all the oxygen.

It's hard to articulate the difference between personalization and targeted advertising (recommenders). One of those torturous endless discussions our teams couldn't escape.

"Personalization" is needs fulfillment whereas targeting is attention stealing. Personalization is much harder to monetize, because it relies on conversions. Whereas with targeting, the money changes hands before hand and is easier to pretend it's working.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Stop that apologist crap. I grew up in a rural area and I know these people quite well. People in rural areas reject science, general knowledge and social norms of the "big cities" because they are frightened and ignorant, not because of some equally valid world view. Their response to climate science is stubborn ignorance. Their response to different cultures, races and religion is bigotry. Their response to democra…

Rural people are happy to have iPhones, as long as they don't need to understand the science behind the technology, Said the guy who probably doesn't even know how to thresh his own soybeans.

I, for one, wouldn't mind knowing that. Agriculture is an absolutely fascinating topic.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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> >Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. I don't know if a Twitter PM will read this, but showing Likes in my feed — and not having an option to turn it off in the official mobile app client — is one big reason I stopped consuming tweets. It's a shame that the only way to opt out…

Try adding some of these to your account-wide “Muted words” list: suggest_recap suggest_who_to_follow suggest_activity suggest_activity_tweet suggest_recycled_tweet_inline suggest_recycled_tweet suggest_grouped_tweet_hashtag suggest_sc_tweet suggest_pyle_tweet suggest_ranked_timeline_tweet suggest_ranked_organic_tweet generic_activity_highlights generic_activity_momentsbreaking ActivityTweet RankedOrganicTweet

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