Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this the same tactic that govt agencies use? Apple is simply borrowing the idea
And? It's not an excuse.
I never said it is an excuse.
Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
201–210 of 634 posts
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#202Through what right or means can Apple demand this, though? Telegram is a platform for user-generated content and it seems odd for Apple to single-out those 3 channels/groups specifically - what about the hundreds of thousands of other objectionable groups on Telegram? And why Telegram in particular? Why doesn't Apple give the same ultimatum to Facebook to pressure them to block access to militant ethnonationalist gro…
>Through what right or means can Apple demand this, though? The App Store is theirs and they will kick you out if they don't like you. Isn't that good enough?
App store may be theirs, but this is like after you install some third party e-mail client on your phone, Apple trying to force their way into telling you what e-mails you can receive, or who you can communicate with. (by proxy) Surely that's not reasonable. What does ownership of the phone mean then?
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, Telegram is a total nightmare. It's like bitcoin or Tor and dark web, it may facilitate anonymous free speech, but in doing so, it facilitates a helluva lot of crime. There has to be limits on freedom, you can't just be allowed to post bomb making plans on the internet or yelling fire in a crowded theatre
> you can't just be allowed to post bomb making plans on the internet or yelling fire in a crowded theatre one is very different from the other. I agree yelling fire in a crowded place can't be allowed - causes people to panic, because it's not possible to 'unhear' a sound. But posting bomb-making information (or really, any information) should be allowed. This information is voluntarily consumed, so it has no danger…
>This applies to _any_ information, not just bomb making information.
Like the information the crowded theater is on fire?
I mean I agree, information should be free, but that's a bad way to phrase the argument.
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#204https://t.me/durov/136 > Previously, when removing posts at Apple’s request, Telegram replaced those posts with a notice that cited the exact rule limiting such content for iOS users. However, Apple reached out to us a while ago and said our app is not allowed to show users such notices because they were “irrelevant”. Fucking hell, Apple. ---- cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_...
But those notices really are irrelevant, right? I mean, there is nothing I can do to bypass them. It's bad UX, like showing a disabled button that I can't enable by any means. Having said this, you can still use Telegram Web on Safari to bypass these restrictions.
It conveys very useful information.
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#205Never thought a news site can manage to place so many ads on my small iPhone screen. It's unreadable. Do you know what is the original source for this?
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
It hurts their PR. They can't be out there doing ad campaigns taking a dig at the Facebooks and the Googles of the world whilst overtly abiding to the whims of totalitarian regimes.
But it's Belarus, the government is highly unpopular in the West and not really popular anywhere else. And it's not like China where they'd lose a giant market if they decided to stand up to the government, Belarus has a population of under 10m with an average income of under $6k a year. It might just be about doxxing, but the PR problem remains, of course.
the Belarus government is very popular in Russia ;-)
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
ha , i d say some apple fanbois are borderline violent
I only see jihad against Apple and their users than from Apple users.
People see what they want to see :). Consider that vast majority of people are NOT apple users so you re bound to see a lot of negative opinions.
I think if you weighed them overall you ll find however that ‘fanboiism’ is overweight
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…
Tim Cook is not a good person. Source: The people he engages with as he attempts to increase Apple's market cap. https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2018/04/07/6f86bd65-aefa-4a...
[deleted]
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#209So it was fine when Apple banned Infowars but now it’s different?
This is exactly what those free speech advocates meant when talking about slippery slopes: you either support free speech or censure. There is no middle ground.
Disclaimer: I think Infowars is pure, evil sh*t.
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#210Seriously use librem 5 or pinephones