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Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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I get the strong sense that a lot of commenters on HN don't have any understanding of either espionage propaganda operations or their efficacy, and it shows.

Probably more the idea of "it's better to have 10 guilty men walk free than to jail an innocent man". A tweeter may be a propaganda account, or it may simply be a guy with a strong opinion on something.

That's a critical threshold for depriving someone of their rights.

Depriving someone the privilege of a world-casting megaphone is a totally different category of concern.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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They are nuking them right now (temporarily). It's not just being discussed, it's being done . But most of the time people like getting content recommended. It's what consumers want.

Consumers also want cocaine, but that doesn't mean you get to sell it to them with impunity.

I can buy tobacco and alcohol at the corner store, but I shouldn't be allowed to buy cocaine?

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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I disagree, this isn't the nuclear option, the nuclear option is forcing these platforms to have a more editorial role in the content they're serving and that comes with a whole bunch of good and a boatload of bad. Gigantic unmoderated platforms existing like this that promote random snippets of speech to drive user engagement and ad-revenue is a thing that shouldn't exist. The problem we still haven't solved is how…

we've had forums and discussion boards for decades now that do not have recommendation features. I don't see why we can't put that genie back in the bottle. IMO the moment you start highlighting things that people didn't explicitly ask for, it's an endorsement.

I think it's like Gerrymandering - yea we can all tell when it's gotten to stupid levels but the supreme court wasn't wrong to want a definition of where the line between "okay" and "bonkers" is. I personally think the decision could've been a bit more aggressive against gerrymandering but we do need some clear line to say "If you're beyond this you're doing an illegal thing" - and while we could close in on that line over time with a slow accumulation of precedent it'd be a lot cleaner to have a decent measure.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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> We already do this as a society, so why shouldn't that extend to Twitter? We don't do this in the US, it's called the 1st amendment. https://youtu.be/-OhyBJxg9RA?t=170

Our libel and slander laws say otherwise.

And, you know, the pressures of social interaction.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #280

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How is that relevant?

If you have never met a representative sample of half the country it seems reasonable to assume anything you don't like is done by someone evil outside it.

>If you have never met a representative sample of half the country it seems reasonable to assume anything you don't like is done by someone evil outside it.

That's part of the problem. You are assuming that everyone who doesn't live in a small town or rural area believes that those who do are bad, evil or wrong.

Well I'm here to tell you that you're mistaken. The vast majority of my fellow Americans (regardless of where they live) are decent people who just want to have a country that respects the rule of law, provides equality under those laws and gives everyone a fair shake to succeed.

There is a very small group that doesn't want that. And they seem to have successfully pitted us against each other, rural vs. urban, white vs. black, young vs. old, etc., etc., etc.

But those are false divisions. Sure, we disagree about a bunch of things. But the vast majority of us agree about much more than we disagree.

So please, don't just paint everyone that's different (in this case, the population density of their residence) with such a broad brush.

I was born and live in the largest city in the US. I've also traveled all over this country, and lived in cities, suburbs and small towns. What I've seen in my more than half-century of living, is that we mostly want the same things.

The problem is that we're not getting them! But it's not the city dweller or the rural resident that's keeping us from doing so.

We could make this country a good place for just about all of us if we stop hurling insults at one another and work together to make our government work for us.

Because, in the end, the government is us. That we allow ourselves to be divided, keeps us from working together to create the change we all want.

If we do that, and build bridges of communication to do so, we're in a much better position to communicate and compromise about the stuff we disagree upon.

I don't care where you live or what you look like. Americans are my brothers and sisters, and I want you to have the life you want to live. And I want to have the life I want to live.

Let's not let those who don't want that keep us from getting it.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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> >Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. I don't know if a Twitter PM will read this, but showing Likes in my feed — and not having an option to turn it off in the official mobile app client — is one big reason I stopped consuming tweets. It's a shame that the only way to opt out…

You can tap the sparkly icon on the feed and change to "Latest Tweets".

Add all follows to a list and use the list UI; solved 90% of the issues for me.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #29

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> Twitter is a community Twitter has 330 million monthly active users and 145 million daily active users. Is that a community? It seems more like an unruly mob. :-) I agree with the point that all online forums should have moderation, but for me the question is, should something like Twitter even exist? A centralized world discussion forum is not necessarily a good and healthy thing. Can humanity handle having Twitte…

> Can humanity handle having Twitter? Even if the answer is no, pandora's box is opened. If twitter disappeared, 5 copycat sites/apps would emerge from the ashes overnight.

I mean we could just ban twitter like services. You just need a sufficiently vague law.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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post #282

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And hard to get people to show up when you run your own forum.

The majority of people are not worth talking to.

I agree. For example, they'll whip out ableist slurs like "crazy" at a moment's notice. It's tedious.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Twitter keeps running themselves into a trap, and it is unbelievable to me that they don't see it: they cannot be the arbiters of truth. It will not work, because inevitably they'll miss something, and then people will assume that that missed thing is true. The solution is NOT to do censorship based on truth. The entire system needs to be unreliable, because it is unreliable. People need to read things on twitter (an…

This is a good take. Skepticism is one of the most important aspects of thinking critically, and building a library of skeptical techniques so as to be able to sniff out things that aren't true is crucial to being able to navigate through a sea of information. It's sort of like the Godel incompleteness theorem of social networking: you can either be incomplete or inconsistent; any system which tries to be perfectly c…

>This in turn will result in a user exodus.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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