Not sure why this policy is touted as a champion example how to deal with the drug "problem". Only thing it does it reduces exposure of drug consumers to law enforcement harassment while at the same time helps organised crime making more money. I would rather look into why some people promote this and maybe look into their finances. Drug use is natural for intelligent beings and prohibition of that is like trying to…
How are the drug dealers making more money if there are alot less people consuming?
Pointers from Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War
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Re: Pointers from Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo%C3%A3o_Castel-Branco_Goul%C...
Thanks!
He even gave a recent interview about all this.
Re: Pointers from Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War
#103I saw somewhere there was some confusion in translation what decriminalization means, as Portugal has Roman Law as opposed to Common Law found in English speaking countries. Portugal "decriminalization" of drugs left it in a similar state to British law anyway. I can't find a reference now though - does anyone know more?
Another interesting tidbit is that the Netherlands did not in fact legalized cannabis. They just decline to prosecute that crime. There's no legal framework to regulate its sale, like for any other consumable good.
This leads to silliness like people in "coffee shops" being allowed to smoke weed, but not tobacco since that is regulated for all indoors venues.
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#104A lot of anglo speaking countries like to quote Portugal as an example, I would just like to add some reality to the picture perfect descriptions I read: - The main public opinion driver for both the needle exchange programs and the decriminalization was a _massive_ Heroin epidemic which lead to an HIV, Hepatitis B/C, AND Tubercolosis epidemic, the last one of those is particularly airborne contagious. I often see th…
There were politicians that publicly spoke about their personal experiences. Others that had family members that were caught up with it.
It was a widespread issue across all classes, not just the poor.
Here's a recent interview about one of the main drivers of this policy (in Portuguese).
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> Many more people are dying from toxic street drugs than are dying from COVID-19. It’s a “shadow pandemic” In America, the worse year of the opioid crisis killed ~65k people from my recollection. The "real pandemic" killed that many americans in the past 2 months. Am I misunderstanding something? Edit: I cannot spell.
British Columbia is in Canada, which as a country has had about 175,000 cases total and under 10,000 deaths.
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Sorry, but what's your complaint about this specific piece from the NYT? Just skimming, I see 21 links to other sources. I haven't clicked through on all of them. It appears to weigh various pros and cons. It seems even handed to me on a quick skim. Further, the NYT has many sections and voices. This piece is specifically from from The Upshot which has this tagline: "Analysis that explains politics, policy and everyd…
Not the grand parent comment and I don't have anything specifically against the NYT or this piece, which I agree is pretty balanced. It is great that they paint a positive picture of Portugal as a forward-thinking progressive nation, the point that Portuguese people often take an issue with this and other pieces, in american and british press, is that they fail to explain the motivation behind this policy. These meas…
Re: Pointers from Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War
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"I've been living in rural Portugal for a little while now" Not long enough! I'm from Castelo Branco and coffee is not $0.15... not even a "carioca de limão". Needle exchange program started 1993 along with other programs like "metadoda" to help addiction. With a needle they also provided condoms and an open door if you wanted help. During the 80's you could find needles everywhere, people stealing from their own par…
I stand corrected. It's good to hear from another HNer in the region.