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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by ecommerceguy »

lowdose wrote: post #47
raxxorrax wrote: post #19

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Bush did far more damage than Trump in my opinion. He set the direction for policies for decades to come. Terrorism everywhere... An aging western population will keep it that way for a few more.

But Dick Cheney stripped president Bush to a mere symbolic endeavor while upgraded his span of control as Vice with the executive power Cheney took from W. Bush before they went in office. I highly recommend watching the movie Vice which gives a very telling report on these developments. Some people say Bush behavior after his time in office is very typical for people that experienced severe gaslighting which manifes…

I agree Cheney is as evil as they come but for the love of humanity please don't use fiction as reference. Misinformation is already bad enough out there. Movies are for entertainment that deliberately skew history to pull heart strings to get you to watch and more importantly talk about the movie so others will watch it too providing more revenue for the showrunner.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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mola wrote: post #32
ecommerceguy wrote: post #17

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I realize this will cause cognitive dissonance in rabid anti-Trumpers but the fact that this admin has brokered MENA deals to recognize Israel as a Nation is a very positive thing for World Peace. Unlike the constant bombing of MENA by Bush and then by Obama. Disgusting policy really. The Obama win was laughable, why did he get it again? Instead of downvotes can we get some information?

Obama getting the prize wrongfully doesn't make trump more or less suitable. As an Israeli, I tell you, this peace deal is a joke. We've had relations with the UAE for decades, they were never hostile to Israel. It was nothing more than a photo op for Netanyahu. The UAE and Bahrein didn't even send same level representatives. The sent foreign ministers for meeting our prime minister. Seems silly, but it tells how ser…

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by ecommerceguy »

nindalf wrote: post #44
ecommerceguy wrote: post #17

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I realize this will cause cognitive dissonance in rabid anti-Trumpers but the fact that this admin has brokered MENA deals to recognize Israel as a Nation is a very positive thing for World Peace. Unlike the constant bombing of MENA by Bush and then by Obama. Disgusting policy really. The Obama win was laughable, why did he get it again? Instead of downvotes can we get some information?

Complaining about downvotes on HN after being flagged already. It's a bold strategy, let's see if it works out for you.

It's not downvoting it's suppressing views that one doesn't agree with aka censorship. I predict HN will go the way of Slashdot within 5 years.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by ecommerceguy »

stan_rogers wrote: post #33
ecommerceguy wrote: post #18

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I think he's talking about it being a grant program. Probably tongue in cheek as well.

That's precisely the reason why it was meant to be awarded for recent work/discoveries, and cannot be awarded posthumously. It is , and always has been, a grant program.

Hence the sarcasm. Jeesh

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by sabana »

altacc wrote: post #46
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

So by your logic there would always have to be wars for there to be a Peace prize? What about keeping the peace? Preventing a war?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by metalliqaz »

sabana wrote: post #65
altacc wrote: post #46

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Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

So by your logic there would always have to be wars for there to be a Peace prize? What about keeping the peace? Preventing a war?

No. Your leap of logic is unreasonable. He was talking about Trump's supposed list of peace deals.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by altacc »

crusso wrote: post #56
altacc wrote: post #46

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Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

That's a ridiculous amount of hair splitting. The normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and major powers in the Middle East is a huge win for anyone who cares about peace. It's astounding to me that people hate Trump so much that they refuse to recognize the historicity of this moment. We're seeing a fundamental change in the dynamics of a conflict that has been ongoing for generations, and there's no…

There have been many different attempts to solve the Israel/Palestine conflict and its many associated issues. Every US president has a go and having yet another attempt doesn’t win anyone awards until real results & a resolution between the parties involved in the conflict is achieved.

There was no big win here, Bahrain & UAE already had relationships with Israel, they were not in conflict. At best it can be described as possibly a small contributing factor to a future solution, if many other, much bigger and more relevant arrangements can be made. In reality not much has progressed. If anything, the few handshakes and promises made were a smokescreen for the unhappy status quo to go on as it was before.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

punnerud wrote: post #22
jansan wrote: post #12

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I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

The award is to be given based on last years effort. Obama had the time between Jan and Oct 2019 in office, where he did several important things to improve world peace.

Obamas administration was far more destructive to world peace than Trump who talks a lot of rubbish but haven't dragged America to new conflicts and wars. Also getting rid of that war hawk Bolton itself deserves far more Nobel peace prize.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by metalliqaz »

crusso wrote: post #56
altacc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

That's a ridiculous amount of hair splitting. The normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and major powers in the Middle East is a huge win for anyone who cares about peace. It's astounding to me that people hate Trump so much that they refuse to recognize the historicity of this moment. We're seeing a fundamental change in the dynamics of a conflict that has been ongoing for generations, and there's no…

no it is not. the deal was specifically a hedge for Israel's leadership against an unknown future for the trump administration in the US. they may as well have got Texas to sign a deal with Massachusetts.
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