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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by crumbshot »

addicted wrote: post #29
m0zg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With more peace deals to come, by the way. Also he did not start any new wars, and started withdrawing US forces from the idiotic endless wars started by previous administrations. Donald Trump has done more for world peace than any US president since Reagan. It'd go further back than that, but Reagan defeated communism, which is pretty huge in itself.

Somehow more forces in all the places he said he would withdraw forces from than the beginning of his term = withdrawal of forces? The only genuine force withdrawal he did was in Syria, which will damage the US dramatically going forward because they completely abandoned their allies because Erdogan was able to sweet talk Donald Teump. And the “peace deals” are a joke because they were signed between Israel and count…

> It requires an extremely narrow way of looking at the world (at basically the PR level) to think Donald Teump is even close to being net positive for world peace.

This checks out - pretty much everything being posted by Trump fans in this thread is a rewording of the PR spin we see Twitter bots spamming everywhere.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by collyw »

punnerud wrote: post #22
jansan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

The award is to be given based on last years effort. Obama had the time between Jan and Oct 2019 in office, where he did several important things to improve world peace.

What did Obama do to improve peace exactly? Trump seems to be a lot more of an anti war president than Obama.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by tsimionescu »

not_a_moth wrote: post #35
contravariant wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

Try listening to his addresses and speeches over the last couple years, and look at the policies he's implemented. Look at all the dishonest coverage, and yes his blunt way of talking doesn't help, but it's still hard not to conclude that the media is the primary source of him being considered divisive.

The only way the media is making Trump look divisive is by reporting his words.

He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists. He has called other countries shitholes. He has recognized the illegal move by Israel to have Jerusalem as their capital (one of the only countries in the world to do so!). He refuses to endorse BLM, one of the largest popular movements in decades, and has sent armed forces to crash peaceful protests. He has escalated deportations even more. He has continued and increased Obama's assassination programs in the middle east, even assassinating a high foreign dignitary on another country's soil. He has repeatedly downplayed and refused to manage the greatest medical and economic emergency in almost 100 years, with consequences that will be visible for the next 20 years.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by crusso »

altacc wrote: post #46
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

That's a ridiculous amount of hair splitting. The normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and major powers in the Middle East is a huge win for anyone who cares about peace.

It's astounding to me that people hate Trump so much that they refuse to recognize the historicity of this moment. We're seeing a fundamental change in the dynamics of a conflict that has been ongoing for generations, and there's no denying that a huge impetus for that change has been a rethinking of how to solve the problem by the Trump administration.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by achow »

swyx wrote: post #10

Im not sure why this is but I'm always happier about the prize going to an organization rather than an individual person. I think literally placing the entire weight of world peace on one person is too much, and it places that person under incredible scrutiny for the rest of their life (or conversely anything bad they personally did in the past gets dragged up). handing it to an org recognizes that it takes much more…

In 1998 'United Nations Peacekeeping Forces' [1] won the peace prize; and this particular winner (org had people from multiple countries) is true embodiment of the point - "it takes much more than a single person..".

[1] aka 'The Blue Helmets' https://i.ytimg.com/vi/d-2uMYBSL68/maxresdefault.jpg

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by crusso »

tsimionescu wrote: post #54
not_a_moth wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try listening to his addresses and speeches over the last couple years, and look at the policies he's implemented. Look at all the dishonest coverage, and yes his blunt way of talking doesn't help, but it's still hard not to conclude that the media is the primary source of him being considered divisive.

The only way the media is making Trump look divisive is by reporting his words. He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists. He has called other countries shitholes. He has recognized the illegal move by Israel to have Jerusalem as their capital (one of the only countries in the world to do so!). He refuses to endorse BLM, one of the largest popular movements in decades, and has sent…

He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists

I'm not a fan of Trump's personality, but on HN, can't we be intellectually honest about politics?

The statements above are not in fact what he said if you allow him any honest amount of context.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by crumbshot »

collyw wrote: post #52

Lost all credibility to me when they gave it to Obama despite him not doing anything.

And people like Henry Kissinger and Shimon Peres before that. I agree, this prize is a nonsense.

But then it's lacked credibility from the start. Nobel only funded it to help rebrand his anticipated legacy, to offset being remembered as "le marchand de la mort".

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by dhyreueu »

achow wrote: post #57
swyx wrote: post #10

Im not sure why this is but I'm always happier about the prize going to an organization rather than an individual person. I think literally placing the entire weight of world peace on one person is too much, and it places that person under incredible scrutiny for the rest of their life (or conversely anything bad they personally did in the past gets dragged up). handing it to an org recognizes that it takes much more…

In 1998 'United Nations Peacekeeping Forces' [1] won the peace prize; and this particular winner (org had people from multiple countries) is true embodiment of the point - "it takes much more than a single person..". [1] aka 'The Blue Helmets' https://i.ytimg.com/vi/d-2uMYBSL68/maxresdefault.jpg

Don't know if this one really aged well considering how rapey the blue helmets turned out to be. It's more of an Aung San Suu Kyi type of example.
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