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Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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> The report states that, “conditioning access to a product or service in which a firm has market power to the use of a separate product or service is anticompetitive.” I agree with this. I shouldn’t have to have a social media account in order to use a product that isn’t directly related to social media. Accounts like Microsoft aren’t the same as Facebook IMO because they tie products and services I’ve purchased to…

Tangentially related: newly-created Facebook accounts are a whole lot harder to keep up these days if you’re just using them for a single purpose, like following events. I created an account last year to get more socially involved in my community but I didn’t want to post any personal information and my account kept getting disabled unless I added pictures and filled out certain sections of my profile. Not sure if it…

I don't use FB personally, but I needed access to Business Manager for some client work so I created an account using my work email and tried to sign up for BM. They immediately locked the account, asked for a copy of my ID, and then permanently banned that account after I provided it. I have no idea why, there's no mechanism for appeal, and I can't even submit a request to have the image of my ID removed because that form is gated behind the account.

Their "KYC" system has no problem with the 10-year-old alt that I created in college using a fake name which has never done anything but manage some ancient meme pages, though...

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

#62

If you enable wifi during Win10 installation (haven't tested otherwise), it requires you to provide a valid Microsoft account (Outlook, Skype, ...) to install Windows. I don't see how this is different from OP. Windows even tells you it supports local logins, but to put in a valid Skype account first or whatever so you can complete the installation before opting into a local logic. I shouldn't need to give my Skype o…

You can install windows 10 without signing in.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

#63

> The report states that, “conditioning access to a product or service in which a firm has market power to the use of a separate product or service is anticompetitive.” I agree with this. I shouldn’t have to have a social media account in order to use a product that isn’t directly related to social media. Accounts like Microsoft aren’t the same as Facebook IMO because they tie products and services I’ve purchased to…

Tangentially related: newly-created Facebook accounts are a whole lot harder to keep up these days if you’re just using them for a single purpose, like following events. I created an account last year to get more socially involved in my community but I didn’t want to post any personal information and my account kept getting disabled unless I added pictures and filled out certain sections of my profile. Not sure if it…

I'm 100% in agreement that a Facebook account shouldn't be required to use an Oculus.

But to continue on your tangent, I'm curious what people expect Facebook to do if they don't collect some amount of identifying information. On one hand they have a huge problem with bots, fake likes, and misinformation accounts, and on the other hand people complain about and avoid the steps they take to prevent those accounts. So, any ideas on the solution?

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Xbox Live is a Microsoft service that requires an account, you don't need an Xbox Live account to use the Xbox.

I tried to look this up, and I found people saying you don’t need an Xbox Live account, but you still need a Microsoft account. Would appreciate any authoritative source that can answer the question.

You need a Microsoft account to do anything with an Xbox One or Xbox Series, including playing offline games. If you don't have one, you get a series of prompts to create one. Doesn't need to be linked to anything, not even an email.

If this is being used to bypass a ban, the console will get banned.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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In principle I would say you are right, but it is actually a far greater hassle to make (or keep) a facebook account than some generic account.

Have you actually had problems making/keeping a Facebook account? I have several throwaways which continue to work fine.

I have had mine locked in the past. Obviously facebook has some system that is locking accounts because so many people have faced this issue

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

#66

If you enable wifi during Win10 installation (haven't tested otherwise), it requires you to provide a valid Microsoft account (Outlook, Skype, ...) to install Windows. I don't see how this is different from OP. Windows even tells you it supports local logins, but to put in a valid Skype account first or whatever so you can complete the installation before opting into a local logic. I shouldn't need to give my Skype o…

Really? I just clicked "skip".

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangentially related: newly-created Facebook accounts are a whole lot harder to keep up these days if you’re just using them for a single purpose, like following events. I created an account last year to get more socially involved in my community but I didn’t want to post any personal information and my account kept getting disabled unless I added pictures and filled out certain sections of my profile. Not sure if it…

I'm 100% in agreement that a Facebook account shouldn't be required to use an Oculus. But to continue on your tangent, I'm curious what people expect Facebook to do if they don't collect some amount of identifying information. On one hand they have a huge problem with bots, fake likes, and misinformation accounts, and on the other hand people complain about and avoid the steps they take to prevent those accounts. So,…

If you only want to be a consumer with no "visible action", none of those issues with bots or fake likes matter, same with business accounts or accounts solely for Oculus use.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe microsoft doesn't care if you have multiple accounts while facebook will ban "non real" accounts. This is the part that makes it anticompetitive, I would imagine.

Na it's about deviation of flow of attention AFTER the product has already been acquired and UNNECESSARY to the core function of the product.

I think the core function of a product should be up to the people making it, not congress.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

#69

The Xbox requires that you have a Microsoft account, right? This seems like an inconvenience but I have a hard time understanding why it’s worth Congress’s time. Isn’t the world full of products that have to be registered by making an account in some system or another? I guess I could understand if somebody didn’t have internet access and wants to use Oculus, but they wouldn’t be able to download any games either eve…

I think xbox shouldn't require an account either.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

#70

The problem with antitrust enforcement w/ Big Tech will be users actually want vertical integration in a lot of contexts. And this vertical integration aligns consumers with the large tech companies in a way that hasn't been true with previous antitrust cases. Yes we could have more open standards, but the cartesian product of every integration eventually doesn't scale. What Microsoft did with Windows in this regard…

Vertical integration already existed before they decided to force people to log in. You could already log in using your Facebook account. I just don't want to be forced to do so.

Don't buy one?
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