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Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by sova »

dorkinspace wrote: post #18
shajznnckfke wrote: post #6

The Xbox requires that you have a Microsoft account, right? This seems like an inconvenience but I have a hard time understanding why it’s worth Congress’s time. Isn’t the world full of products that have to be registered by making an account in some system or another? I guess I could understand if somebody didn’t have internet access and wants to use Oculus, but they wouldn’t be able to download any games either eve…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe microsoft doesn't care if you have multiple accounts while facebook will ban "non real" accounts. This is the part that makes it anticompetitive, I would imagine.

Na it's about deviation of flow of attention AFTER the product has already been acquired and UNNECESSARY to the core function of the product.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by millstone »

r3drock wrote: post #15
shajznnckfke wrote: post #6

The Xbox requires that you have a Microsoft account, right? This seems like an inconvenience but I have a hard time understanding why it’s worth Congress’s time. Isn’t the world full of products that have to be registered by making an account in some system or another? I guess I could understand if somebody didn’t have internet access and wants to use Oculus, but they wouldn’t be able to download any games either eve…

In principle I would say you are right, but it is actually a far greater hassle to make (or keep) a facebook account than some generic account.

Have you actually had problems making/keeping a Facebook account? I have several throwaways which continue to work fine.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by notsuoh »

andrelayer wrote: post #34

How is this any different than the iPhone and Apple Id?

I think one of the key differentiators is that an Apple ID isn’t required to use an iPhone. There are other differences, but I believe this is the main relevant one.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by grumple »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #6

The Xbox requires that you have a Microsoft account, right? This seems like an inconvenience but I have a hard time understanding why it’s worth Congress’s time. Isn’t the world full of products that have to be registered by making an account in some system or another? I guess I could understand if somebody didn’t have internet access and wants to use Oculus, but they wouldn’t be able to download any games either eve…

I own an Oculus Quest. I do not have a Facebook account, nor will I get one. For me, this will eventually deprive me of a product I bought and enjoy once they start enforcing it.

It’s an attempt to force people like me to use another product of theirs so they can extract value from me.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by bigbubba »

rektide wrote: post #8
rektide wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm way less concerned about those software platforms being with Facebook. there's plenty of room for competition. gdpr grants decent citizens rights to take their data away. there is zero escape from this nightmare platform however. hardware we end up forever hard locked into.

one place I am not sure how I feel is game consoles. microsoft & sony both require accounts to use the mandatory platforms their consoles come with. is this ok? how us this different from Facebook demanding users use the Facebook platform with the Facebook face console?

Are those online platforms now mandatory for consoles? They weren't a few years ago when last I had one.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by inetknght »

augstein wrote: post #7
graeme wrote: post #4

> conditioning access to a product or service in which a firm has market power to the use of a separate product or service is anticompetitive Is the house committee arguing Facebook is a monopoly in....VR? From the stats I found Oculus has a 20-30% share. I don’t like the Facebook requirement for Oculus, but not everything I don’t lime constitutes a monopoly. Other have commented that the house assumes what it sets o…

Which standalone VR headset would you recommend, if one can‘t use a Facebook login?

I personaly use an HTC Vive and haven't had any trouble with it.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by technofiend »

zamadatix wrote: post #29
dorkinspace wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe microsoft doesn't care if you have multiple accounts while facebook will ban "non real" accounts. This is the part that makes it anticompetitive, I would imagine.

I'm not sure what about that has to do with competition.

Feed me, Seymour!

But seriously what a dark pattern and just like Little Shop of Horrors feeding the beast really doesn't benefit you. This is exactly why I never purchased an Oculus: because the price of entry for playing a VR game is too high.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by shajznnckfke »

bena wrote: post #32
shajznnckfke wrote: post #6

The Xbox requires that you have a Microsoft account, right? This seems like an inconvenience but I have a hard time understanding why it’s worth Congress’s time. Isn’t the world full of products that have to be registered by making an account in some system or another? I guess I could understand if somebody didn’t have internet access and wants to use Oculus, but they wouldn’t be able to download any games either eve…

Xbox Live is a Microsoft service that requires an account, you don't need an Xbox Live account to use the Xbox.

I tried to look this up, and I found people saying you don’t need an Xbox Live account, but you still need a Microsoft account. Would appreciate any authoritative source that can answer the question.

Re: Report may suggest that login requirement for Oculus Quest 2 is anticompetitive

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Post by tenryuu »

ianmobbs wrote: post #35
taneq wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the Xbox stop working if your Microsoft account gets banned?

To an extent, yes https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxinsiders/comments/cj5b0a/what_h...

I skimmed this, but this goes over getting banned from Xbox Live, the network service, not a system that prevents you from using the console
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