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Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by mrkwse » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #41

mrkwse wrote: post #31

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Possibly, the relatively new Polestar marque has published it's transparency report about lifetime emissions, and references 'Global' and 'European' power mixes along with 100% wind in it's sums about after how many miles it will have produced less CO2 overall (inc. production emissions) vs. a ICE equivalent. Polestar's figures for the 2 are (vs the XC40 on the same underlying platform): Global power mix: 112,000 km…

Thanks for the numbers. I didn't realise the numbers were so high! Many EVs will be carbon-better only once their second hand vehicles!

Sorry, forgot to post the link, which contains a reasonably detailed white paper alongside the headlines on the webpage: https://www.polestar.com/uk/electric-sustainability/transpar...

I expect you're right about the equilibrium extending beyond the first owner in many instances. Volvos are renowned for their longevity (100,000mi is not uncommon) so will be interesting to see how Polestars fair with battery degradation. It would be interesting if Polestar go the way of Apple and try to recapture cars at end-of-life to recycle them and reduce subsequent generation car production emissions.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by dzhiurgis » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 1:13 AM UTC

lazyjones wrote: post #78

dzhiurgis wrote: post #74

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Wow Tesla is not doing too great there. Wonder if that is supply or demand problem.

At the moment they aren't, true. Most likely a demand problem. But there are more Model S on the road in Norway than Model 3.

I guess when you combine all of them they still in the lead. Unsure how it's gonna play out in the future tho. Pretty much every manufacturer got an EV car now and it's not built in a tent in California.

I kinda feel Tesla should licence their strong suits (infotainment, batteries and motors) or outsource their weaknesses (voice control, body/panel, service).

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by KingOfCoders » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 2:23 AM UTC

dzhiurgis wrote: post #92

lazyjones wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the moment they aren't, true. Most likely a demand problem. But there are more Model S on the road in Norway than Model 3.

I guess when you combine all of them they still in the lead. Unsure how it's gonna play out in the future tho. Pretty much every manufacturer got an EV car now and it's not built in a tent in California. I kinda feel Tesla should licence their strong suits (infotainment, batteries and motors) or outsource their weaknesses (voice control, body/panel, service).

3,S and X combined are 3944 for 2020 if I haven't made a mistake, still 5th - but unsure what you wanted.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by KingOfCoders » Fri, Oct 09, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

lazyjones wrote: post #78

dzhiurgis wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow Tesla is not doing too great there. Wonder if that is supply or demand problem.

At the moment they aren't, true. Most likely a demand problem. But there are more Model S on the road in Norway than Model 3.

Yes around 16%, 21k S and 18k 3 (according to the website).

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by _Microft » Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #87

garbagetime wrote: post #70

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>Too simple a take on the relations between EU and Norway It's just the truth. Norway is not a member of the EU. But I agree that it is good to have a strong understanding of what exactly the relationship is between Norway and the European Union.

The truth is that except for some quite narrow fields, the EU decides a lot of things and Norway has to accept those things. They're like Switzerland, which hemmeded and hawed about immigration from the EU, held a referendum deciding to block it, and then when the EU put an economic gun to their head, backed down and all EU citizens now have freedom of movement to Switzerland.

Freedom of movement (and a lot of other things) is guaranteed in the Bilateral I agreements [0] between the EU and Switzerland which are protected by a so-called guillotine clause [1]. The latter meaning that violation of any part of the agreement would void all of it.

The result of the referendum would definitely violate part of the agreement and the EU just reminded Switzerland of the consequences.

If anything it could be blamed on the initiators and supporters (SVP) of the referendum to not properly inform the populace of the consequences of a successful referendum.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_U...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine_clause