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New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by areyousure »

onecommentman wrote: post #128
brsg wrote: post #87

I think people's memories are a bit short regarding just how dire things were in NYC back in April. I think things are a bit more complicated than just blaming the governor for shutting down restaurants. Every resident in or around New York heard ambulances 24/7. Everyone knew someone that got very sick (not that anyone could even prove that they had it since testing was extremely scarce). The virus was still very ne…

Indeed. Half of all COVID deaths in the US by early May were in the Boston-DC metropolis. The per capita death rate for NYC, even after almost no COVID deaths over the last two months, is still 1 in 570, 4x the national rate of 1 in 2300 (along with NJ; CT, RI, MA and LA round out the list of Also NYC hit a hospitalization rate of 1 in 700 at the peak. Legitimate forecasts had hospitalization rates potentially blowin…

> The per capita death rate for NYC, even after almost no COVID deaths over the last two months, is still 1 in 570, 4x the national rate of 1 in 2300

That's the per capita death rate for New York state.

The proportion of people who died in NYC with a positive COVID test or with cause of death listed as COVID is more like 1 in 255.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by bookofjoe »

rweir wrote: post #139
Tamra_Kingsley wrote: post #130

This is really a sad news. If you happen to visit Australia, come and visit The Clayton Hotel (theclaytonhotel.com.au). The Clayton Hotel comes with a rich history, we are extremely proud of what we have become today. Many people from neighboring cities of Clayton, Victoria, Melbourne, Australia loves visiting us.

blimey that's some niche spam!

I think you meant to write crikey

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by jhatemyjob »

vmception wrote: post #127
jhatemyjob wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean you basically called me hyperbolic and goalpost shift-y

yeah if you actually believed banning cigarettes instead of shutting down the economy would have saved more lives instead of just saying that as an exaggerated literary device aka hyperbole then thats way worse I was giving you the benefit of the doubt actually and it was the accurate word for it

I think shutting down the economy was a terrible decision that had little-to-no effect on the outcome of things so yeah I believe that. That being said, I think all drugs should be legal so I wouldn’t support banning nicotine even though it’d probably save a lot of lives

Also half of your comments got censored for some reason

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by rasz »

ardit33 wrote: post #63

I have to have a counterpoint: One of my favorite coffee places in Manhattan closed this summer. I was bummed. Their lease was up for renewal, and it didn't make sense for the owner to renew it as all of the office worker traffic was gone. Two months later, there is a new coffee place at that spot. The guys (different owners) just got a great deal on the lease for the first two years, and they will just need to make…

> The guys (different owners) just got a great deal on the lease for the first two years, and they will just need to make employee expenses.

its a TRAP, He most likely signed usual 10 year $20-40K/m for a 2000ft hole in the wall with foot traffic NY lease. Super enticing amount of free months is there to lure you in. The trap is he probably personally guaranteed (house mortgage?) the lease, not the restaurant business running the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW1-FicJMAc

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Post by evgen »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #132
evgen wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how poorly Sweden has fared compared to its neighbors you really need to stop trying to use it as an example of good policy.

What neighbors? What data are you using? As far as I can tell, it is pretty much middle of the pack. Behind Italy, Spain, and the UK in Europe alone. Somewhere like Belgium is far far worse. Not to mention the fact that Sweden specifically used this strategy in order to avoid government control over people, which as we have already seen, other countries are not doing. See: Australia. “Good policy” expands beyond a si…

It's neighbors would be the countries with which it shares a border: Norway, Finland and Denmark.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by dang »

ardit33 wrote: post #102
ceilingcorner wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was six months ago. As far as I’m concerned, the leadership in NYC has been completely ineffective and incompetent. The rest of the world is basically moving past the virus, while New York is considering even more restrictions.

Huh? just last week both Italy and Spain re-instated restrictions, as the cases are flaring up again. Especially, in Madrid. What Europe are you talking about? There are still restrictions in the EU for traveling from outside-EU countries. This is not a usa, or nyc only phenomenon. I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. Madrid locks back down as European leaders sound alarm on Covid-19 surges Madrid is g…

> Huh? [...] What Europe are you talking about? [...] you sound like a Trump troll.

Please don't break the site guidelines like this. We need the oldest users of HN to represent the spirit of the site, not toxify it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by justinzollars »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #3
justinzollars wrote: post #2

This is incredibly sad. My favorite restaurant in the world closed in San Francisco - its such a tough time for that industry.

Which one? But yeah I don't think we are going to fair any better.

Walzwerk SF :(

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by waaaaaaat »

paxys wrote: post #24
slimed wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a subtle (perhaps unintentional) sleight of hand here. 60% of all new restaurants close on the first year. That is very different than half of *all restaurants, even those that have been open for decades, closing in a single year.

Sure, but the same distinction is missing from the city's report. Which half of the city's restaurants are going to close permanently because of covid? Likely those that were on the edge of failure rather than well-established ones.

observationally, this doesn't seem to be the case. In NYC, the way it looks is that restaurants that were doing a brisk delivery business before the pandemic are still with us and a lot of great restaurants that were packed with in-person diners are gone. There are tons of exceptions. Source: Brooklyn.
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