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Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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"We have a lot of redheaded patients, we're looking for someone who has at least 7 years experience working with redheaded patients on a regular basis"

Don't forget something like: "We're looking for a senior doctor with 10 years of COVID-19 experience."

That one is possible if you were there during the SARS or MERS epidemics, they're also coronavirus that you could easily sell as COVID experience.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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I'd love if software required a degree. I have a degree and pretty much everybody I ever worked with has a degree. Looking around the entire floor there's only one person without a degree I am aware of. It's a myth that you can work without a degree, you'd never get a job interview in the first place. Seems to be mostly a US myth by the way, makes sense because degrees are crazy expensive there.

I don't have a degree. I'm still quite good. I don't think a degree helps. I have seen plenty of very avg software developres, i wouldn't wanna have on my team, with degrees

I do not have a degree, and I am helping my friend with her CS assignments. The curriculum sucks at her university, to be honest.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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I will leave this right here for your education - https://www.bugsnag.com/blog/bug-day-ariane-5-disaster

GP doesn't say it's never happened, just that the typical programmer isn't going to kill someone with a buggy password complexity validator. By and large, the standard programmer does not hold life and death in their hands when navigating callback hell.

Tell that to citizens who can't register for unemployment or fill their taxes because the callback hell doesn't work as it should.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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I'd love if software required a degree. I have a degree and pretty much everybody I ever worked with has a degree. Looking around the entire floor there's only one person without a degree I am aware of. It's a myth that you can work without a degree, you'd never get a job interview in the first place. Seems to be mostly a US myth by the way, makes sense because degrees are crazy expensive there.

How many of the incredibly successful people we know of in the industry were drop outs? I can think of quite a few, and I know of other engineers who thought their CS program was vastly inferior to devoting 100% attention to their company, which they could give maybe 33% to due to classes and undergrad life.

> "How many of the incredibly successful people we know of in the industry were drop outs

Knuth, Dijkstra, Kernighan, Ritchie, etc. all had degrees, although some are non-CS because CS degrees weren't a thing back then. Linus Torvalds, Dave Cutler, and Theo de Raadt all have degrees. The only hardcore coder (i.e. not a business person) without a degree I can think of is John Carmack.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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Don't forget something like: "We're looking for a senior doctor with 10 years of COVID-19 experience."

That one is possible if you were there during the SARS or MERS epidemics, they're also coronavirus that you could easily sell as COVID experience.

Maybe, but that reminds me of a recruiter or HR rep saying "Java and Javascript are like the same thing, right?"

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

#76

"We have a lot of redheaded patients, we're looking for someone who has at least 7 years experience working with redheaded patients on a regular basis"

Don't forget something like: "We're looking for a senior doctor with 10 years of COVID-19 experience."

I have thrown out resumes claiming the same. Explain how you have more years experience then the age of the tech. LOLZ.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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On the other hand, if software engineers were interviewed like doctors, anyone who didn’t have a U.S. graduate degree would be immediately rejected. Anyone with great experience in another country would be immediately rejected. That is most of the good doctors in the world! The doctor interviewing process is simplified by rejecting the vast majority of qualified candidates before even interviewing them. I think the f…

On my country (Portugal) Software Engineering is a professional title, universities are only allowed engineering degrees, including in anything computer related if validated by the order and anyone signing projects where they are liable must have the title validated.

To be fair, many skip the title validation because they don't sign such kind of projects, but they still get the title at one of those validated universities if they want most HR departments to actually care to read their CVs.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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On the other hand, if software engineers were interviewed like doctors, anyone who didn’t have a U.S. graduate degree would be immediately rejected. Anyone with great experience in another country would be immediately rejected. That is most of the good doctors in the world! The doctor interviewing process is simplified by rejecting the vast majority of qualified candidates before even interviewing them. I think the f…

This is a good point. Software engineering is one of the most open fields in that it cares relatively little about formal credentials, tests or historical background (what else you’ve worked on). Anyone who has picked up “coding” (etc.) can join in the fray and start adding value, while learning more while doing.

Picking up coding isn't Software Engineering.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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What is your salary? What is the salary of a doctor? You're probably aware of the first but not the second. Just so you know, doctors are not paid little and developers are really not paid that much in comparison. You should also consider that FANG are 4 extremely selective companies only existing in the valley (the cream of the crop) while doctors can work pretty much anywhere in a country and do very well.

For the hours they have to work and the conditions they have to work in... doctors are paid ok. You'd have to pay me a hell of a lot to have to drive to a hospital each morning and stand around on my feet for a 48-hour shift dealing with high-risk problems and real people all day. No thanks. I think they do it for pretty reasonable compensation considering.

Abusive overtime and oncall are rampant in both industries. Let's not try to debate who has it worse, it's bad and neither workers should accept it.

Re: If doctors were interviewed like software developers

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On the other hand, if software engineers were interviewed like doctors, anyone who didn’t have a U.S. graduate degree would be immediately rejected. Anyone with great experience in another country would be immediately rejected. That is most of the good doctors in the world! The doctor interviewing process is simplified by rejecting the vast majority of qualified candidates before even interviewing them. I think the f…

On my country (Portugal) Software Engineering is a professional title, universities are only allowed engineering degrees, including in anything computer related if validated by the order and anyone signing projects where they are liable must have the title validated. To be fair, many skip the title validation because they don't sign such kind of projects, but they still get the title at one of those validated univers…

Architects and Engineers are protected titles in most countries there is an exemption for IT, the EU protected titles also exempts that but local countries may impose their own rules.

There are also often different types of protections, in the U.K. for example there is “registered” and “chartered” titles.

The registered usually deal with newer titles that didn’t have historic charters and recognition of non-UK accreditation.

So for architects for example you can be a registered Architect by registering with the ARB which usually means you need to be registered with a non-UK charter and have a recognized diploma, to be a charter Architect you have to go through the process that RIBA dictates which means getting your education in the UK or in RIBA accredited schools abroad which only gets you to RIBA part 2 and then complete the required experience and exams for Part 3 in the U.K.

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