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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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However the best solution would be the replace h1b with just citizenship - if you have rare skills why shouldn't we offer immediate citizenship to the talented?

That's what countries like Canada has, while they do have a work visa program, getting permanent residency is actually easier for talented folks.

No, Canada doesn't have this. I don't know any country that gives immediate citizenship to talented individuals.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#822

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What makes the immigration process in the US truly horrific is the extraordinary time it takes to approve or reject a greencard petition. In many cases it takes years - or even over a decade or more. That's insane. People bring their spouses here, they have kids who are born and go to school here, and all along the way their immigration status is uncertain. And meanwhile they are tied to whatever job they're in. It's…

why would your comment be downvoted? do downvoters think you are lying, or do they think its a good thing that green cards take so long? what you say is correct. as a green card holder myself i can attest to both my initial approval period (3.5 years) and also the renewal period (2 years) being onerously long, and at times, having a particularly deleterious effect on my life. look, i can understand the initial approv…

>why would your comment be downvoted? do downvoters think you are lying, or do they think its a good thing that green cards take so long?

The tall nail gets the hammer.

The inconvenient facts get the gray text.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#823

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So will my google interview now be easier?

Probably harder, actually. Google and other high-paying tech companies have been lobbying for this change for years. There are only 85k/year slots for H1B visas and they are awarded by lottery. High-paying tech companies generally have a high hiring bar and don’t find all that many candidates, so they don’t submit all that many applications to the lottery, and as a result their candidates get swamped out by the horde…

They were lobbying for an increased quota, not for wage requirements for H1B workers.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#824

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"…to lower overall pay rate." What's with this nationalism and view human value? Just because a person was or wasn't born in a certain place, something they had no ability to affect, they have more or less right to a certain job with a certain salary in a certain place? Looking at it from the other perspective of the individual who can get a job, they are probably not lowering their salaries, but rather significantly…

The duty and role of a government is to act in the best interest of their citizens which that government represents. The interests of outsiders are simply not relevant to that - they have their own government to represent their interests, which can and should enact policies that benefit them, and negotiate in international agreements policies that will help their citizens. If it's a win-win situation (which is the ex…

Lol so you're saying EEO is out the window

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#825
I expect to be thrashed for this but, so what?

Why would anyone, except for personal reasons, want to move to the USA anyway?

Absolute non-starter.

Fix the rest of the country first, then talk to me about a new visa program.

I'll check back in a couple of years.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#826

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Why is this on the top of the hacker news? The article talks about nothing that will stop the abuse. There are indeed a lot of RFEs that are being given out if you don't have a CS degree and apply for a Software Developer position already. The Pay structure that the article mentions is NOT true anymore. Take a look at the links[1], it's withdrawn and the rule is not valid. How is hiring folks with a CS degree for an…

You’re talking about H1B abuse that primarily affects non-US citizens. I can sympathize (and I’m not a US citizen), but you can hardly expect the US press or hacker news to have that perspective or use that terminology... right?

Surely it put downward pressure on everyone's wages.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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FWIW I am an immigrant myself (in Australia) and I am in favour of strict regulation. Skilled migration schemes should bring in skilled people, I've seen many people migrating on a skilled visa only to end up making a living as taxi drivers.

Some people ending up as taxi drivers actually have skills; their skilled visa isn't based on lies. They are just not able to continue in their field in the new country for whatever reason. Their accreditation is not recognized, or they don't interview well or whatever. Meanwhile, there are bills to pay and food to put on the table.

>> Their accreditation is not recognized

If so, then maybe they shouldn't have been issued "skilled worker" visa in the first place. Part of the visa process should be verification that a person really has the credentials to work in the profession they declare on their application.

Of course there also could be a process to get that accreditation without coming to the country. Something like bar exams for lawyers could be held in US embassies around the world, or online.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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The higher pay seems like an overall positive change to reduce the prevalence of "body shops" and so that H1-Bs aren't an easy way for companies to lower overall pay rate. I'm not sure that narrowing degree qualifications is a win; high-skill immigration is a significant boon to America's economy, and I think ability to do the work, and American company willingness to pay above-rate salaries (legally mandated now to…

"…to lower overall pay rate." What's with this nationalism and view human value? Just because a person was or wasn't born in a certain place, something they had no ability to affect, they have more or less right to a certain job with a certain salary in a certain place? Looking at it from the other perspective of the individual who can get a job, they are probably not lowering their salaries, but rather significantly…

> What's with this nationalism and view human value?

Honestly it is probably just run-of-the-mill xenophobia, but looking at US Federal Tax revenue [0] I would like to point out that prior to ~1930 everyone was basically on their own and after that the government started really becoming a big chunk of the economic pie. In 1920, I expect it was a lot more practical to target an open-border policy. Economically, the failure of a migrant means nothing to a local. In 2020, if a migrant does not succeed then there is a risk that the locals will be paying for it. I argue that that would reasonably change someone's opinions.

The idea that a person's location should have no impact is great, but sits in conflict with the US welfare system.

[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Governme...

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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As a serial immigrant myself - hit the nail on the head there. There is the “pay debt back” (relo, visa/lawyer costs) issue in some companies but this is a very good start.

IIRC having an employee pay for costs associated with H1B and/or employer-sponsored Permanent Residency applications was flat-out prohibited. Is that wrong?

There are ways around it, like “returning a signing bonus” or “reimbursing relocation costs”. Those are usually subjective and super-vague as well, e.g. “approx. $$$” or “minimum of $$$” and they never give you an actual number so it’s extra scary for someone coming from a country where their current monthly wage could sustain them for a year.

Temporary working visas like H1B(US) or 457(Australia) or L(Swiss) are all terrible in their own little ways, sigh.

The main issue is if you make a wrong career move your situation could quickly turn into an absolute nightmare, e.g. consistent abuse at work which you cannot escape.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#830

“ Because those required wage increases take effect this week, existing H-1B holders looking to renew their visas might not qualify unless their employers raise their salaries accordingly.” This is really bad. Families are going to get told to leave. I’m surprised that there is no discussion on this thread about the impact to people who haven’t done anything wrong.

> This is really bad. Families are going to get told to leave. I’m surprised that there is no discussion on this thread about the impact to people who haven’t done anything wrong. It's not a moral issue (except for the big H-1B mills that are gaming the system.) But nothing has changed: these are not an offer of citizenship. They are temporary work visas with no guarantees: an opportunity to do temporary specialty wo…

Damn, your lack of tact is seriously depressing.
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