I know most of tech community believe open USA. But I think that view is heavily biased because most tech guys in Silicon Valley is relatively rich and many of them are even foreigners. In order to understand the problem, I want to know opinion which support H1B visa restriction. Anyone who work for tech and support H1B visa restriction?
Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
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#662Credit where credit is due, this is a good move. The H1B program has been abused for a long time. It sounds like these changes should help make it too expensive for the fraudulent abuse to continue.
It would be simpler to award the limited pool of H1-Bs in order of descending wages, and cross-check with the IRS afterwards to verify those salaries are actually paid. That would kill all the bottom-feeding body shops.
One issue with this is that it would favor H1B workers working for companies located in high wage areas (the coasts) over low wage areas (mid-west).
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#663Talking about abusing H1B, India took 70% of the H1Bs alone, China, which has larger population, takes less than 10%. For these top 2 consumers, India H1Bs are mostly from India, Chinese H1Bs are mostly graduated in USA directly.
The S380 senate bill was trying to get unanimous consent(UC) in senate to give amnesty to India visa holders so they can get greencards without waiting for too long, if that passed, all other countries will have no greencard quotes for at least one decade.
We can not reward those who gamed the system, meanwhile, H1B does need to be reformed.
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#664I estimated the new prevailing wages for NYC/SF/SEA using z-scores and the new %-iles.
For NYC: (I II III IV) = (116,003 137,323 160,321 203,405)
For SF: (I II III IV) = (138,283 162,157 187,910 236,155)
For SEA: (I II III IV) = (128,082 148,708 170,957 212,639)
The level for an applicant is determined by their education + experience. Level I is supposed to correspond to an entry-level role requiring specialized skills in the field. These set the minimum base salary an applicant in the category must be paid.
N.b. They reflect _only_ base salary and not stock or bonus compensation. These levels will be unreachable for most; even those at FAANG.
More details - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vSeeTD1O...
Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
#665Credit where credit is due, this is a good move. The H1B program has been abused for a long time. It sounds like these changes should help make it too expensive for the fraudulent abuse to continue.
Why is this on the top of the hacker news? The article talks about nothing that will stop the abuse. There are indeed a lot of RFEs that are being given out if you don't have a CS degree and apply for a Software Developer position already. The Pay structure that the article mentions is NOT true anymore. Take a look at the links[1], it's withdrawn and the rule is not valid. How is hiring folks with a CS degree for an…
There were companies hiring people under H1B then finding them contract work. Something they are specifically limiting now because they were abusing the system by under paying them as well as hiring them after they get the visa instead of before.
Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
#666Credit where credit is due, this is a good move. The H1B program has been abused for a long time. It sounds like these changes should help make it too expensive for the fraudulent abuse to continue.
Why is this on the top of the hacker news? The article talks about nothing that will stop the abuse. There are indeed a lot of RFEs that are being given out if you don't have a CS degree and apply for a Software Developer position already. The Pay structure that the article mentions is NOT true anymore. Take a look at the links[1], it's withdrawn and the rule is not valid. How is hiring folks with a CS degree for an…
You’re talking about H1B abuse that primarily affects non-US citizens. I can sympathize (and I’m not a US citizen), but you can hardly expect the US press or hacker news to have that perspective or use that terminology... right?
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#667Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be simpler to award the limited pool of H1-Bs in order of descending wages, and cross-check with the IRS afterwards to verify those salaries are actually paid. That would kill all the bottom-feeding body shops.
One issue with this is that it would favor H1B workers working for companies located in high wage areas (the coasts) over low wage areas (mid-west).
So go for highest percentile wage in the region of the hire
Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
#668Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is this on the top of the hacker news? The article talks about nothing that will stop the abuse. There are indeed a lot of RFEs that are being given out if you don't have a CS degree and apply for a Software Developer position already. The Pay structure that the article mentions is NOT true anymore. Take a look at the links[1], it's withdrawn and the rule is not valid. How is hiring folks with a CS degree for an…
There were companies hiring people under H1B then finding them contract work. Something they are specifically limiting now because they were abusing the system by under paying them as well as hiring them after they get the visa instead of before.
No. It just means that the contractor should establish themselves with employer-employee relationship before finding work, from the rule PDF:
> First, striking “contractor” will avoid potential confusion as the term “contractor” in the definition is misleading. The inclusion of “contractors” in the regulatory language could be read to suggest that contractors should generally qualify under the definition of a “United States employer.” While a contractor is certainly not excluded from qualifying as a “United States employer” for purposes of an H-1B petition, the contractor, like any petitioner, must establish the requisite “employer-employee relationship” with the H-1B beneficiary.
Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
#669I finally agree with something this administration is doing. This is a solid move. H1B has been/is being abused by all companies (big and small) for a number of years at the cost of not only American workers but also the visa holders. The only ones benefiting are the companies that sponsor H1B visas by suppressing wages for everyone. I just hope the new administration don't role back these changes. Typically when a n…
As a former H1B holder who walked away from a Green Card because being a bonded laborer for 10+ years to a large tech company wasn't my cup of tea
I agree 1000% with you on this -> H1B has been/is being abused by all companies (big and small) for a number of years at the cost of not only American workers but also the visa holders. The only ones benefiting are the companies that sponsor H1B visas by suppressing wages for everyone.
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It's bonded labor of people desperate to get into the western world and/or get into Silicon Valley/US tech scene
It only benefits large tech companies
A) US citizens have lower salaries (lucky ones) or don't get jobs (unlucky ones)
B) H1B workers are paid less and are bonded labor
C) US itself loses out because many of those people would have started companies
Do you want people starting PinDuoDuo, FlipKart, Meituan Dianping, Shopify type companies in US or in other countries?
Then why instead of letting these 'brightest people from around the world' become entrpreneurs in US
are you asking them to spend 22 to 35 being bonded labor for data surveillance companies like FB and GOOG???
Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
#670Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be simpler to award the limited pool of H1-Bs in order of descending wages, and cross-check with the IRS afterwards to verify those salaries are actually paid. That would kill all the bottom-feeding body shops.
One issue with this is that it would favor H1B workers working for companies located in high wage areas (the coasts) over low wage areas (mid-west).
I don't really see a problem here.
If you are in a low wage area and feel that your workers are as productive as workers in high wage areas then you can pay them a high enough wage that they get a visa.
If you don't feel that way then obviously the visa should go to a more productive worker and it doesn't matter that they happen to be in a high wage area.