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Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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His music wasn't really my style, but I remember the Heavy Metal effect pedal from Boss that my cousin owned had a booklet in it with the setups of various professional musicians - to show off how they used Boss pedals in different combinations. Everybody had complicated setups with multiple pedals. Van Hallen's "setup" went something like this: Heavy Metal --> cable --> jack --> amp

I think that was just a way of the manual showing you how to have a sound "inspired by" Van Halen, since he famously got his distortion sound not from a pedal, but from a Marshall amp that he ran at a low voltage using a variac (as an aside, the boss heavy metal was famously used by Swedish death metal bands turning all the dials up, not really a Van Halen sound). He also used multiple pedals, such as the Echoplex, M…

The phaser is an essential part of the main riff from unchained

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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That's not a record player though, that's a DJ controller. Very different.

The parent comment was comparing DJ equipment to a record player (to this patent), which I feel is a poor example because modern DJ equipment almost always has different equipment too rather even if you could technically do it with a fader and some record players (as in at a gig, I'm aware people still mix on vinyl - pretentious as it can be). The patented guitar thing is literally played the same way but in a differ…

your comment said "decks" though - the ddj1000 is _closer_ to decks, but it's still a controller.

decks, you're thinking (some examples):

cdj350 cdj400 cdj800 cdj850 cdj900 cdj1000 cdj2000 xdj1000 etc

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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I got the same feeling as brtkdotse when Chris Cornell of Soundgarden died. "They aren't making them like that anymore". And if they are, I haven't found any. Can you give us an example (like a YouTube link) of a modern guitarist (from the past 15 or so years) that approaches Eddie Van Halen's level of talent or innovation? An uplifting thought is that, like Cornell, although we have lost him, we still have his music…

This is absolutely insane. Modern metal has been pushing so many boundaries since its such a hard genre to get into. Some obscenely amazing guitarists have emerged in the last decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y275DyRjfjE&list=PLThcv0otcW... And 15 years? Dream Theater has been around for 20 years (with modern lineup), and nobody in their right minds would not put John Petrucci at the top of any guitarist list…

> This is absolutely insane.

So you counter with utter inanity. Touche!

My opinion has not changed a whit, of modern people or their music. Eddie Van Halen 4eva!

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a record player though, that's a DJ controller. Very different.

The parent comment was comparing DJ equipment to a record player (to this patent), which I feel is a poor example because modern DJ equipment almost always has different equipment too rather even if you could technically do it with a fader and some record players (as in at a gig, I'm aware people still mix on vinyl - pretentious as it can be). The patented guitar thing is literally played the same way but in a differ…

I think part of the reason people are chiming in on the distinction is that a controller is comparable to a mouse for a computer; a controller requires something else for any functionality, at which point you're comparing a general computing device that can do anything to a much more restricted special use device

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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This is absolutely insane. Modern metal has been pushing so many boundaries since its such a hard genre to get into. Some obscenely amazing guitarists have emerged in the last decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y275DyRjfjE&list=PLThcv0otcW... And 15 years? Dream Theater has been around for 20 years (with modern lineup), and nobody in their right minds would not put John Petrucci at the top of any guitarist list…

> This is absolutely insane. So you counter with utter inanity. Touche! My opinion has not changed a whit, of modern people or their music. Eddie Van Halen 4eva!

So your response to the guitarists who are known for being obscenely technical, and for DT currently owns the world record for most time signature changes in a song is "inanity". A person who has been lead guitarist, main producer, writer and singer for multiple bands and current/longest lasting member of G3?

Modern metal has become insanely competitive with young bands competing against each other to be sky high technical, since that's the main differentiation these days.

What does a modern guitarist need to do? Be the literal re-incarnation?

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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The Lakers don't have all those fans, that's more than a stretch. The NBA has been declining in popularity for years as well. Finally, knowing who a person is, is rather unimportant in the scheme of things. Face it, running back and forth throwing a ball, even with excessive style simply doesn't move people the way art does. I do have additional respect for Kareem for that reason, he's shown himself to be a deep thin…

forget the lakers, every basketball fan, a billion people around the globe, appreciated and respected kobe. and if you can't recognize the sheer intelligence involved in actively, relentlessly achieving your objectives in a fast-paced, highly dynamic environment at the limits of your physical abilities, while hundreds of others at their physical limits and billions of dollars try to prevent you from doing so, then yo…

Lol.

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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I got the same feeling as brtkdotse when Chris Cornell of Soundgarden died. "They aren't making them like that anymore". And if they are, I haven't found any. Can you give us an example (like a YouTube link) of a modern guitarist (from the past 15 or so years) that approaches Eddie Van Halen's level of talent or innovation? An uplifting thought is that, like Cornell, although we have lost him, we still have his music…

My immediate go-to answer for that question would be Guthrie Govan. He can shred with anyone, but also can do incredibly delicate picking work, and can play in the context of almost any genre you could name - blues, folk, jazz. His blending of techniques goes way beyond EVH (but undoubtedly bears some debt too). This is probably Govan's most famous single-take solo, but he has oodles of other work at this level (thou…

Shawn Lane is my absolute favorite. No one has mastered melody, phrasing, tone, and humbleness as much as Shawn Lane.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VzrzREBYbao

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the same feeling as brtkdotse when Chris Cornell of Soundgarden died. "They aren't making them like that anymore". And if they are, I haven't found any. Can you give us an example (like a YouTube link) of a modern guitarist (from the past 15 or so years) that approaches Eddie Van Halen's level of talent or innovation? An uplifting thought is that, like Cornell, although we have lost him, we still have his music…

My immediate go-to answer for that question would be Guthrie Govan. He can shred with anyone, but also can do incredibly delicate picking work, and can play in the context of almost any genre you could name - blues, folk, jazz. His blending of techniques goes way beyond EVH (but undoubtedly bears some debt too). This is probably Govan's most famous single-take solo, but he has oodles of other work at this level (thou…

Apart from the solo you suggested, I always suggest the Drive Home (also with Steven Wilson) solo. Easily one of the best solos I've ever heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycYewhiaVBk

Also +1 Tosin Abasi. The new generation of guitar heroes is here, although traditional rock n roll isn't as popular anymore.

Re: Eddie Van Halen has died

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(Trying to think of something new to add to this discussion, not already mentioned.) Well, one of the requirements of being a popular hard rock band of the day was to have a triumphant logo, and VH had one of the best. I even drew it once or twice in drafting class. :-) `8888888888888888, `88888888888888888'\ ,888888'\ ,88888888888888888' 8888888888888888, `888888888888888' ,888888' / ,88888888888888888 \ `888, \____…

lots of 8s... OU812 is a pretty good album :-)
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