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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Credit where credit is due, this is a good move. The H1B program has been abused for a long time. It sounds like these changes should help make it too expensive for the fraudulent abuse to continue.

I tentatively agree but feel employers will somehow turn this into hurting both domestic and H1B workers even more.

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I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

>H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. I don't care. It's not the US's job to educate the world. Until someone helps me get into university again I don't give a rat's ass about foreign students coming in. Those students are typically in the higher earning income brackets for their countries.

Student visas are essentially free money for the countries that provide them: unversities charge them more; the students tend to be rich and spend a lot; a lot of students immediately return home and don't actually take any local jobs. There's no downsides.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Wouldn’t that cause a large displacement of the existing labor force and significantly drive down wages?

Our current system is kind of strange when you stop and think about it. We're OK with foreigners doing much of the labor for lower wages - as long as they do it overseas, and then ship the products here. However, if you think about it, there would be benefits to having the work be done domestically rather than requiring it be done in other countries. We could lower transportation costs of goods (and the environmental…

But then we are paying for US doctors for those US citizens. Healthcare alone in the US is more than those workers are making in their home countries.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #539

I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

>H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. I don't care. It's not the US's job to educate the world. Until someone helps me get into university again I don't give a rat's ass about foreign students coming in. Those students are typically in the higher earning income brackets for their countries.

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Link to DHS press release: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/06/department-homeland-secu... Probably a better link than the WSJ submission – even though I'm a subscriber, I want the facts, and the facts seem to be hard to find As a matter of fact, I still haven't found the actual "interim final rule" (an oxymoron if I've ever seen one), so if anyone has a link, I'd be immensely grateful EDIT: Here's the unpublished ru…

There are two unpublished rules. DHS rule that you mention ( https://www.federalregister.gov/public-inspection/2020-22347... ; goes in effect in 60 days) and DOL rule establishing the percentiles ( https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/DOL-Int... ; goes in effect this week).

> and DOL rule establishing the percentiles ( https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/DOL-Int... ; goes in effect this week

Not true. I know this was "withdrawn" yesterday.(see my comment below).

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #283

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"Body shops" like Infosys and Tata Consulting that import thousands of H1Bs under borderline fraudulent applications, and then underpay these employees. Just a random link, but the contours of the problem: https://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-pr...

50k-60k is pretty normal in many places in US. Were they bringing staff in SF or NYC?

H1B visas are in theory intended to be awarded only when there is a shortage of some specialized labor and it is not possible to find enough qualified candidates within the country. If a person hired under that premise ends up making a “pretty normal” wage it’s a pretty clear sign that the process is being abused.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #539

I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

>H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. I don't care. It's not the US's job to educate the world. Until someone helps me get into university again I don't give a rat's ass about foreign students coming in. Those students are typically in the higher earning income brackets for their countries.

Buddy, you gotta help yourself get into and pay for university.

Why should a university give a "rat's ass" about you when a foreign student will pay more?

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #539

I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

>H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. I don't care. It's not the US's job to educate the world. Until someone helps me get into university again I don't give a rat's ass about foreign students coming in. Those students are typically in the higher earning income brackets for their countries.

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you avoid seeing 500M indians/Chinese landing in America on the very next day? I think there is a middle ground between the disaster that are immigration laws today, and full open borders.

You would still have to have a job lined up to get a work visa. So there would need to be 500M new jobs. If our economy grew by 500M new jobs, that would be unequivocally good. Those 500M people would be paying taxes, buying goods and services, paying for housing, etc.

Would that be good for the people doing the current jobs in the crosshairs of these new immigrants?

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Here we go with the protectionism. If we had SWE unions they would be making sure that all foreigners were evicted. You can read this thread to find out.

That's my number one reason to oppose unions: they will be super protectionist. I derive that knowledge from the fact that lots of SWEs on forums like this are pro-union and simultaneously protectionist.

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