What is the threshold limit for H1B wages as per new rule?
45th percentile of the wages, for that job category [1], at that location.
Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
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#412Step 2 should be banning consulting / contracting services with an H1B workforce. If you're hiring an H1B it should be a full time employee for direct employment, not a pass through body shop. No clue how or if it'd be possible to enforce such a provision.
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
The changes described in the article do not change your hypothetical whatsoever.
It does indirectly. Hiring for the later will hopefully cease to be cost effective. But the former should still be worth it.
That’s the point, and the intended effect. They don’t want you to look overseas for the manual UI tester or whatever, they’re saying “that’s not skilled enough to warrant granting a visa based on a claim you can’t find someone in the US to do this job.”
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a high school graduate and a self-taught developer. I got hired by Microsoft as a software engineer to the Microsoft Windows Core OS team based on my skills with an H-1B. I made Microsoft millions of dollars with my work. I’m now writing a book on software development published by Manning Books. None of that would have happened if such a criteria existed. That policy doesn’t make any sense at all.
How did you get hired as a kernel engineer without a degree out of college?
The original poster can give the real answer (I have a feeling you know what I'm about to write and want the _story_) but:
For certain technically focused jobs it's easy for other skilled practitioners to tell that you can do it.
A degree is nice but is actually less useful for signalling than concrete, interesting work in the field because the latter is rarer.
I've seen this play out particularly in computer security and low-level software development.
Where lack of qualifications really holds you back is when you're being hired by non-experts. They usually can't evaluate "direct evidence" and must rely on credentials instead. Paradoxically this means you can have an easier time getting hired without a degree at a "top" company than a mid-tier one.
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#415I agree 100% with you. My view is even more extreme, I think we should allow anyone who passes a criminal background check to be able to get a work visa, with no quotas. But barring that pipe dream, this seems like a good interim step.
Wouldn’t that cause a large displacement of the existing labor force and significantly drive down wages?
Our current system is kind of strange when you stop and think about it. We're OK with foreigners doing much of the labor for lower wages - as long as they do it overseas, and then ship the products here. However, if you think about it, there would be benefits to having the work be done domestically rather than requiring it be done in other countries. We could lower transportation costs of goods (and the environmental impact on transportation), we could have more flexibility in production, we could keep higher wage jobs associated with the work (management, machinists, R&D), etc. We could also have a more equitable balance of globalization - for instance, right now it's easy for a U.S. doctor to benefit from overseas manufacturing workers, but it's hard for a U.S. factory worker to benefit from overseas doctors.
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#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does indirectly. Hiring for the later will hopefully cease to be cost effective. But the former should still be worth it.
Why do you care whether or not it's cost effective to hire a foreign UI tester? That has zero correlation with whether or not its cost effective to hire someone with experience at CERN. Your hypothetical lists 2 different profiles that would be hired for vastly different jobs, and it seems like you only care that one of them is fucked over - is it just a strawman for racism? Can you point to any actual examples of CE…
> Can you point to any actual examples of CERN interns being passed over in favor of foreign UI testers?
They both compete for the same H1B visas so it has happened a lot of times. The H1B at Tata getting 70k a year took a spot from a software engineer at Google earning more than twice that. That is how lotteries work. Raising the wage requirement will mean that the actual talent will have better chance to get in. And yes, a lot of Googles new engineers comes from India, that is a good thing, the bad thing is companies like Tata abusing the system to get low paid labor into US.
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does indirectly. Hiring for the later will hopefully cease to be cost effective. But the former should still be worth it.
Why do you care whether or not it's cost effective to hire a foreign UI tester? That has zero correlation with whether or not its cost effective to hire someone with experience at CERN. Your hypothetical lists 2 different profiles that would be hired for vastly different jobs, and it seems like you only care that one of them is fucked over - is it just a strawman for racism? Can you point to any actual examples of CE…
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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay
#418I finally agree with something this administration is doing. This is a solid move. H1B has been/is being abused by all companies (big and small) for a number of years at the cost of not only American workers but also the visa holders. The only ones benefiting are the companies that sponsor H1B visas by suppressing wages for everyone. I just hope the new administration don't role back these changes. Typically when a n…
My question is then: what this changes? the company will just keep the indentured worker working longer to recoup. Am I missing something?
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#419H1B visas have always been about suppressing the wages of tech workers. America can be competitive on the world stage and pay a market rate. It's not true that these workers have skills that are not available domestically. Make the H1B salaries the same as the senior tech employees you're trying to displace and the calculations on firing all your senior employees goes out the window. This ultimately will be good for the foreign workers, as they will be compensated equally. This is equitable and just. anything else is modern day indentured servitude.
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the new wage rules one will not be cost effective at all. It changes everything
That's not true at all. The engineer from India will simply be re-classified to L1 with a reduced wage requirement. While the grad student will require a much higher wage requirement. In the end it will actually turn out worse for someone trying to hire the engineer from Switzerland
You can't just reclassify people to L1, there is a reason there is such huge demand for H1B.