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Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by westoncb »

user5994461 wrote: post #196
westoncb wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has always confused me. What is going on when someone's site is taken down by HN traffic? (Maybe the fact it's on HN when this occurs is just coincidence: maybe the real traffic loads are always from reddit or twitter or something in these cases?) (My experience with high-ranking HN posts: initially with DreamHost, later with cheapest AWS ec2—never a noticeable impact with either)

Among articles you see on the front page, there is a two orders of magnitude difference in visits between the more popular and the less popular. HN/reddit/twitter/android can all send a similar amount of traffic. There's one order of magnitude there, how many places an article is featured at the same time? Then there's an order of magnitude within each place, how much interest and readership the article could gather?…

This sounds off. Both reddit and twitter have the potential for vastly more traffic than HN.

I also haven’t had the number one spot on HN (except maybe briefly), but was in 2 and 3 for long stretches and even an order of magnitude more traffic wouldn’t have been a problem.

Two orders probably would have been, but I have a hard time imagining a 100x traffic difference between the 1 spot and the 2 spot. Then again, if it was a very slow day here vs a very busy day maybe (though in my case it wasn’t a very slow day).

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by developer2 »

avolcano wrote: post #89

Is it just me, or is $15/mo for the cheapest Postgres-with-backups a bit steep? Heroku's free DBs (or $9/mo basic plan) support daily backups. I've currently got a web app I'm just self-hosting on a DO VPS for $5/month. I have a Postgres DB on the same VPS (via a Docker image), with a 10-line shell script & cron job for backups to Backblaze B2 (which costs ~nothing/month for my tiny DB). Additionally, my web app is a…

Yes: it's just you; or at least, you're in the minority. You're from the same pool of people I last saw harassing employees over at Linode when they started matching DigitalOcean with the offering of $5/month VMs. Within just a few days, there were forum posts complaining that $5/month was still too expensive compared to the previous $10/month minimum, and that the cheapest VM should be $2/month. What you're asking for barely pays for the electricity to run a server, let alone covering even 1% of a single employee's salary (out of hundreds or thousands of employees), or the company's many other expenses.

I'm tired of people bashing on hosting providers. They provide services which take many thousands of man-hours to plan, engineer, and develop at insane scale and high availability. They only charge what are already bottom-of-the-barrel prices; yet the only thing users can do is complain about $5 or $15 a month for professional services that, by the way, none of these complainers could ever "do better/cheaper on their own" (a common–and fictitious–criticism).

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by Aeolun »

In terms of cost this seems silly. They say that it won’t get more expensive as you grow bigger, but that’s because it’s essentially a pre-deployed droplet.

The benefit of PaaS offerings is generally that you pay per request.

The bandwidth limits on this also seem incredibly out of whack with standard droplets.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by user5994461 »

isaac21259 wrote: post #151
user5994461 wrote: post #75

I am so glad to see this. I was looking to deploy an app and the choice is either Heroku or manage your own server which I don't want to do. Heroku gives instant deployment for the most common types of apps (python/java/ruby). It's PaaS done right, it's fantastic. You should really have a look if you're not aware of it, it's only $7 for a starter app. Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which m…

Why don't you trust Linode?

You can search HN for top articles mentioning linode. The comments speak for themselves. Basically Digital Ocean is better in every aspect you can think of.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by antoncohen »

> The App Platform is one of the few PaaS products built on a shared Kubernetes platform.

I wonder how they are doing this from a security standpoint. For customer workload isolation is every container actually a VM? The pricing/sizing kind of makes it look like that.

> App Platform provides predictable, easy-to-understand pricing

How? Outbound network is charged per-GB. I know autoscaling isn't supported yet, but hopefully they support setting a max number of instances. One of the things people like about DigitalOcean over other cloud services is that you can sign up to pay $X per month and know that is what exactly what you will pay, no surprises.

> Upcoming features

The list of things not supported yet includes auto-scaling and VPC. It is hard to imagine using a PaaS without autoscaling. And I wouldn't want to build out a microservices-like architecture without VPC.

Overall I really like the concept of the offering. Simple PaaS, with custom container support, Kubernetes (for what it is worth in a PaaS, I don't know), and predictable pricing. That all sounds really good.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by jonfriesen »

avolcano wrote: post #89

Is it just me, or is $15/mo for the cheapest Postgres-with-backups a bit steep? Heroku's free DBs (or $9/mo basic plan) support daily backups. I've currently got a web app I'm just self-hosting on a DO VPS for $5/month. I have a Postgres DB on the same VPS (via a Docker image), with a 10-line shell script & cron job for backups to Backblaze B2 (which costs ~nothing/month for my tiny DB). Additionally, my web app is a…

A small note, the DigitalOcean dev DBs do have daily backups though these are not accessible by the user and only come into play when there is a non-recoverable issue with the node they are on.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by user5994461 »

viraptor wrote: post #200
user5994461 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had #1 multiple times. I've had articles that stayed on the front page for multiple days. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm top 1% of personal bloggers on HN or something like that. I'd be shelling out AWS thousands of dollars over the years if I were using anything AWS, or more likely I'd be either broke or the blog would have crumbled under the traffic each time never going viral.

That's simply not true. I hit #1 a few times with content hosted on S3. Ended up paying maybe extra $2 those months. I'd be worried if I hosted any large files that came with it, but just a blog post? Barely noticeable.

I have images in almost every post. Diagram, schemas, stock images, gif, anything. I guess you don't?

The difference between $2 and $20 will strike when you start having pictures and with $200 the day you (accidentally) put a large image or GIF.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by anamexis »

noodle wrote: post #199
user5994461 wrote: post #75

I am so glad to see this. I was looking to deploy an app and the choice is either Heroku or manage your own server which I don't want to do. Heroku gives instant deployment for the most common types of apps (python/java/ruby). It's PaaS done right, it's fantastic. You should really have a look if you're not aware of it, it's only $7 for a starter app. Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which m…

> Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which makes it a dead end for anything non trivial. That isn't exactly true, for a few reasons. First is, the top tier public sticker price is roughly $35/GB. Second is, at higher scales, you'll sign a contract with them that discounts your rates further. Third is, this is presuming you're paying $ for memory alone. While that might be relevant for individu…

> Third is, this is presuming you're paying $ for memory alone. While that might be relevant for individual apps which need that specifically, on the whole you're paying for the ecosystem, the standardization, the PaaS. You're trading money for your time back. The product you're buying is not simply GB.

Except when the only thing you need over the $7 hobby instance is more memory.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by iagovar »

dubcanada wrote: post #180
pier25 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more options than Heroku: - Google App Engine (PaaS) - Google Cloud Run (serverless containers) - Fly.io (serverless containers with a minimum of 1 container running per configured region)

FortRabbit.com Platform.sh There is probably a good hundred of them at this point.

https://scalingo.com/ too.
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