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Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by tomwojcik »

user5994461 wrote: post #116
throw49477721 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Heroku and these app hosting services handle updates to the underlying OS and other dependencies? Do they only patch non-breaking updates? Or are you on their schedule to ensure your app will run on the latest version?

Who cares? The point is that it's their problem, you don't need to think about it, it's done for you. =) In practice your application restarts at least once a week. It's transparent because a new instance is started first and takes over. The provider can move applications around to add/drain servers and perform maintenance.

AFAIK Dyno is alive for 24 hours or less +-1h, not a week.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by user5994461 »

mdoms wrote: post #185
earthboundkid wrote: post #132

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Can HN really deliver enough traffic to a static site to cost a significant amount? I've had mildly popular posts on HN for my Netlify blog (John Carmack tweeted about it!) and not had to pay for bandwidth.

No. I once had a site hit #1 on HN. It was hosted on a Dreamhost shared VPC with Wordpress. It barely broke a sweat. I have no idea what these guys are doing who are having their sites bulldozed by HN traffic but it's worryingly common for something that should never happen.

I've had #1 multiple times. I've had articles that stayed on the front page for multiple days.

Wouldn't be surprised if I'm top 1% of personal bloggers on HN or something like that. I'd be shelling out AWS thousands of dollars over the years if I were using anything AWS, or more likely I'd be either broke or the blog would have crumbled under the traffic each time never going viral.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by westoncb »

mdoms wrote: post #185
earthboundkid wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can HN really deliver enough traffic to a static site to cost a significant amount? I've had mildly popular posts on HN for my Netlify blog (John Carmack tweeted about it!) and not had to pay for bandwidth.

No. I once had a site hit #1 on HN. It was hosted on a Dreamhost shared VPC with Wordpress. It barely broke a sweat. I have no idea what these guys are doing who are having their sites bulldozed by HN traffic but it's worryingly common for something that should never happen.

This has always confused me. What is going on when someone's site is taken down by HN traffic? (Maybe the fact it's on HN when this occurs is just coincidence: maybe the real traffic loads are always from reddit or twitter or something in these cases?)

(My experience with high-ranking HN posts: initially with DreamHost, later with cheapest AWS ec2—never a noticeable impact with either)

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by FpUser »

ev1 wrote: post #186
donmcronald wrote: post #161

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No. I don't think so. The concern for me is a lack of hard limit on spending on GCP, Azure, and AWS. If I screw up and allocate a bunch of resources unintentionally, I'm left holding the bill. That's a terrible setup for PaaS because all programming involves mistakes eventually, especially for new users learning the system. Granted, there are likely limits on accounts, but those are to protect the services from fraud…

It's a difference in goals. - Hobby kid doesn't want to overpay, shut everything down - Business absolutely doesn't care about spend, if they get some kind of marketing result traffic spike they just want the site to stay up even if it blows the average budget Guess which one they optimise for?

>"Business absolutely doesn't care about spend, if they get some kind of marketing result traffic spike they just want the site to stay up even if it blows the average budget"

While this statement can be true in some cases I vividly remember bosses of largish (budget wise company) running around like headless chickens yelling to kill every running instance of service just because they were hit by way more "success" that they've planned for.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by emilsedgh »

user5994461 wrote: post #75

I am so glad to see this. I was looking to deploy an app and the choice is either Heroku or manage your own server which I don't want to do. Heroku gives instant deployment for the most common types of apps (python/java/ruby). It's PaaS done right, it's fantastic. You should really have a look if you're not aware of it, it's only $7 for a starter app. Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which m…

This is spot on, except for one thing: Google Cloud Run.

It's the closest offering I've found to Heroku and am planning to migrate all our services to it due to significantly better pricing. Make sure you look into it.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by user5994461 »

westoncb wrote: post #193
mdoms wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I once had a site hit #1 on HN. It was hosted on a Dreamhost shared VPC with Wordpress. It barely broke a sweat. I have no idea what these guys are doing who are having their sites bulldozed by HN traffic but it's worryingly common for something that should never happen.

This has always confused me. What is going on when someone's site is taken down by HN traffic? (Maybe the fact it's on HN when this occurs is just coincidence: maybe the real traffic loads are always from reddit or twitter or something in these cases?) (My experience with high-ranking HN posts: initially with DreamHost, later with cheapest AWS ec2—never a noticeable impact with either)

Among articles you see on the front page, there is a two orders of magnitude difference in visits between the more popular and the less popular.

HN/reddit/twitter/android can all send a similar amount of traffic. There's one order of magnitude there, how many places an article is featured at the same time?

Then there's an order of magnitude within each place, how much interest and readership the article could gather? Highly variable. The first comment alone can make or break an article.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by Matheus28 »

$0.10/GiB bandwidth. Ouch. That's 10x what they charge for droplets exceeding their included bandwidth. Seems to follow the trend of grossly overcharging for bandwidth that most other PaaS providers do.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by jonfriesen »

futhey wrote: post #58

I like the idea of rebuilding Heroku without the command line. It's not for me, but it's probably for somebody. There's just too much of a premium for this over a standard DigitalOcean droplet though. At the low end you're paying double for the same resources, and at the high end you're paying 4x. I deployed a toy Node.js app that was a bit too resource hungry for 1 virtual CPU. The cheapest plan with 2 virtual CPUs…

Hey futhey,

The team agreed that we had some gaps that needed to be filled, you will now see new plans:

Basic $40/month 4GB RAM & 2 Shared vCPUs

Pro $75/month 4GB RAM & 1 Dedicated vCPU

We've also increased the vCPU count on the Pro $50/month plan from 1 to 2 vCPUS so it's now:

Pro $50/month 4GB RAM & 2 Shared vCPUs

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by noodle »

user5994461 wrote: post #75

I am so glad to see this. I was looking to deploy an app and the choice is either Heroku or manage your own server which I don't want to do. Heroku gives instant deployment for the most common types of apps (python/java/ruby). It's PaaS done right, it's fantastic. You should really have a look if you're not aware of it, it's only $7 for a starter app. Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which m…

> Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which makes it a dead end for anything non trivial.

That isn't exactly true, for a few reasons.

First is, the top tier public sticker price is roughly $35/GB.

Second is, at higher scales, you'll sign a contract with them that discounts your rates further.

Third is, this is presuming you're paying $ for memory alone. While that might be relevant for individual apps which need that specifically, on the whole you're paying for the ecosystem, the standardization, the PaaS. You're trading money for your time back. The product you're buying is not simply GB.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Post by viraptor »

user5994461 wrote: post #192
mdoms wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I once had a site hit #1 on HN. It was hosted on a Dreamhost shared VPC with Wordpress. It barely broke a sweat. I have no idea what these guys are doing who are having their sites bulldozed by HN traffic but it's worryingly common for something that should never happen.

I've had #1 multiple times. I've had articles that stayed on the front page for multiple days. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm top 1% of personal bloggers on HN or something like that. I'd be shelling out AWS thousands of dollars over the years if I were using anything AWS, or more likely I'd be either broke or the blog would have crumbled under the traffic each time never going viral.

That's simply not true. I hit #1 a few times with content hosted on S3. Ended up paying maybe extra $2 those months. I'd be worried if I hosted any large files that came with it, but just a blog post? Barely noticeable.
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