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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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I'll give you that, but it seems like a much simpler solution would have just been improving the flexibility for an H1B worker to be allowed to work at any employer for the term of their status. If an employer used an H1B in order to hire a foreign worker and then under pay them, the worker would just get another job that pays market rate, without the work status concern. Without the artificial control over the emplo…

This will elevate the income of low paying H1B workers, but also decrease the income of average paid American workers. If the market has an abundance of low paying workers, the market overall will pay workers lower.

That is the opposite of what is likely. The elevation of wages for a H1B will mean the average wage in that category of work will increase, for everyone in that segment. What you suggest only makes sense if there is a fixed pot of money in the economy for all wages, which isn’t the case.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #187

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Personally I think there's a middle ground that's very important, which is that I think anyone who received a university degree in the US and passes the background check should be able to get an unrestricted work visa. The US should want to keep the talent it selects and trains. These are people who build the economy, generate IP, and create jobs in the long run. Not only that, but these people who have spent 4+ year…

anyone who received a university degree in the US No. No. No. That would mean that anyone from the University of Oxford would be out until he got himself a masters degree from the Christian College of Lost Hope, AR. There are far too many paid masters degrees around already that serve exactly that purpose and that are good for no one except the useless college.

They're not saying to exclude everyone else, just that if you are here for four years getting a degree, you should be able to stay.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#253

I'll give you that, but it seems like a much simpler solution would have just been improving the flexibility for an H1B worker to be allowed to work at any employer for the term of their status. If an employer used an H1B in order to hire a foreign worker and then under pay them, the worker would just get another job that pays market rate, without the work status concern. Without the artificial control over the emplo…

H1B employee's can work at any employer for the term of their status. The employee only has to transfer the visa to the new employer. I have done this for multiple employee's on H1B's its nothing like getting a new H1B for someone on OPT or getting a new H1B for an oversea's employee

They can, but it's still a process and not as easy as saying to a prospective employer "I have an H1B that is valid until October 2025, you don't have to do anything". Further, even though it's rarer, I believe that the transfer can still be denied if USCIS decides the new position doesn't qualify.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

#255

Overall, I really support these changes. However, this piece really struck me as a big mistake: "Under the changes, an applicant must have a college degree in the specific field in which he or she is looking to work. A software developer, for example, wouldn’t be awarded an H-1B visa if that person has a degree in electrical engineering." Some of the best software engineers I know are graduate degree holders from neu…

I would absolutely speculate that this requirement was made to block many good candidates. After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway.

> After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway.

No, that's not the point. If that's what you wanted to achieve then you'd be best off not having any visa system. So obviously this is not what they're optimising for.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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I would absolutely speculate that this requirement was made to block many good candidates. After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway.

nonsense. The point of a visa system is to expand the domestic labor pool.

This is bad for the local workers. Smaller labor pool = higer wages.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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> Under the new rule, the required wage level for entry-level workers would rise to the 45th percentile of their profession’s distribution, from the current requirement of the 17th percentile. The requirement for the highest-skilled workers would rise to the 95th percentile, from the 67th percentile. If you've got an undergraduate degree in CS looking for work as a SWE does that mean you'll need to get paid at p95? W…

The percentiles are hopefully based on the region where a given employee would be working.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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“ Because those required wage increases take effect this week, existing H-1B holders looking to renew their visas might not qualify unless their employers raise their salaries accordingly.” This is really bad. Families are going to get told to leave. I’m surprised that there is no discussion on this thread about the impact to people who haven’t done anything wrong.

> This is really bad. Families are going to get told to leave. I’m surprised that there is no discussion on this thread about the impact to people who haven’t done anything wrong.

It's not a moral issue (except for the big H-1B mills that are gaming the system.)

But nothing has changed: these are not an offer of citizenship. They are temporary work visas with no guarantees: an opportunity to do temporary specialty work in the U.S.

If someone were to bring their family, they have done so with the explicit knowledge that the situation could change at any time.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #95
post #84

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Will an executive order (which I assume this is) actually make any difference? Doesn't it take an act of congress to make any serious headway here? Personally, I was an H1B a 4.5 years before Trump convinced it was time to leave. I was in the bay area and handsomely overpaid. I have no personal experience of it being abused, but I'm obviously privileged, having worked at reputable tech companies and coming from reaso…

This is a rule in the Federal Register. So it's basically like law. It's essentially how the executive is interpreting the laws that congress has passed. There is a rule that says a new President can automatically overturn all rules made in the last 90 days of the previous administration, but we're before that deadline, so this is pretty much a done deal. If the next admin wanted to change this, they have to go throu…

>If the next admin wanted to change this, they have to go through the long and arduous rule making process again.

Does that also apply to rules that didn't go through that process but were rushed through with the interim final rules process? Doesn't sound logical to me.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #140

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How would you avoid seeing 500M indians/Chinese landing in America on the very next day? I think there is a middle ground between the disaster that are immigration laws today, and full open borders.

You would still have to have a job lined up to get a work visa. So there would need to be 500M new jobs. If our economy grew by 500M new jobs, that would be unequivocally good. Those 500M people would be paying taxes, buying goods and services, paying for housing, etc.

Do you have to leave if you get fired?

Or do you get a gig, show up, quit, and then live on the dole?

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