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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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It's pretty amazing to me how anti-immigrant America is, for a country built on immigration, but I suppose it's always been that way. Benjamin Franklin hated the Germans in the 1750s [1]. For perspective, Canada, a country 1/10th the size of the US, brings in 30,000 refugees each year. The US brings in 18,000. This means Canada brings in 25X the number of refugees per capita than the US does. Canada, a country 1/10th…

America is reasonably pro-immigrant.

They just have to be legal.

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I agree 100% with you. My view is even more extreme, I think we should allow anyone who passes a criminal background check to be able to get a work visa, with no quotas. But barring that pipe dream, this seems like a good interim step.

Personally I think there's a middle ground that's very important, which is that I think anyone who received a university degree in the US and passes the background check should be able to get an unrestricted work visa. The US should want to keep the talent it selects and trains. These are people who build the economy, generate IP, and create jobs in the long run. Not only that, but these people who have spent 4+ year…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you avoid seeing 500M indians/Chinese landing in America on the very next day? I think there is a middle ground between the disaster that are immigration laws today, and full open borders.

Well could it be dependent on employment and housing availability? Are there 500m jobs that need filling? If not then they would not be able to apply. If there was a flood of people coming the housing market would see a shortage so again these people would need somewhere to stay before being granted a VISA. I don’t think unlimited necessarily mean without restrictions.

The only restriction mentioned in the parent is passing a background check, there is no mention of needing a prior job offer or lodging.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Overall, I really support these changes. However, this piece really struck me as a big mistake: "Under the changes, an applicant must have a college degree in the specific field in which he or she is looking to work. A software developer, for example, wouldn’t be awarded an H-1B visa if that person has a degree in electrical engineering." Some of the best software engineers I know are graduate degree holders from neu…

I would absolutely speculate that this requirement was made to block many good candidates. After all, the point of a visa system is to constrict the pool of potential candidates anyway.

nonsense. The point of a visa system is to expand the domestic labor pool.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1Bs usually require the employer to prove they couldn't find someone within the country.

I don't think that's true.

It is true - as a part of H1B application you need to post a job advertisement in some US job board first, which becomes a part of the documentation you submit to USCIS. I went through that as a part of my own visa process.

EDIT: ok, maybe my immigration lawyer was a weirdo :)

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There is a lot of political science research that speaks to growing xenophobia when immigration is unleashed. I understand the sentiment—I'm very pro-immigration—but with respect to domestic policy my primary goal is stability and faith in government. Personally, I like how my country, Canada, does it. Points based system that rewards multiple factors, including skills, employability, and fluency in English and Frenc…

Xenophobia is more expected, when the immigrant population is ghettoized, alienated, given fewer opportunities and stricter policing, and made to compete with the local population for limited jobs. A more reasonable policy would be to make sure the that doesn't happen. Say by abolishing racist policing, better urban planning, better labor laws, and partly socialized job market. EDIT: Changed wording, previously incor…

Xenophobia is never natural, it's comprehensible but there are a lot of folks able to resist falling into it as a scapegoat from bad circumstance. I agree with improving society to help less folks fall into it, but I don't believe in allowing any excuses for xenophobic views.

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I'm working on a dashboard to track H1B visa hiring and salary data at https://www.quiverquant.com/sources/visas Right now you can use it to see the biggest H1B employers and their median salaries for workers on visa. Open to any suggestions on how to make it more useful!

This is great, thanks for putting it together. What's the source of your data?

It would be great to be able to sort by the median salary (maybe highlight which companies are taking advantage).

It would also be useful to compare it with "median non-H1B salary" which also might highlight where people are taking advantage.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Overall, I really support these changes. However, this piece really struck me as a big mistake: "Under the changes, an applicant must have a college degree in the specific field in which he or she is looking to work. A software developer, for example, wouldn’t be awarded an H-1B visa if that person has a degree in electrical engineering." Some of the best software engineers I know are graduate degree holders from neu…

Wow, I don't know how many people even have a degree specifically in software development or engineering! They'll have to be somewhat flexible!

> Some of the best software engineers I know

Presumably the best be ok as they'll be able to get in on the O-1 visa for people with exceptional ability? It's everyone else who will be in trouble.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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> “America’s immigration laws should put American workers first,” Quotes like these irk the heck out of me. American workers is a subset of the populace and no, they should not be prioritized over other competing groups. For example, American Business owners, American Retirees, American disabled folks... It's a lot less about the specifics of this article/case and more about how the "Jobs" aim has become impossible t…

This is our country, where "we" are the people who already live here. Most of us were born here, many of us moved here, but we have a pretty good thing going on. New immigration should be a net benefit for our society and it should favor the side of the workers - e.g. Americans in general - not the bottom line of a business class looking for ever cheaper labor in order to extract additional money from their efforts.

Personally I'd like to see the entire H1B program scrapped entirely. If you can't find an American to do a job, hire and train one. If you don't want to, don't do business here.

The rest of your comment is semantic quibbling. "American workers" in this context means Americans. Nothing in that phrasing implies carving the country up into ever smaller groups based on certain characteristics and including or excluding them.

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