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Post by d1zzy »

BurningFrog wrote: post #49
vdnkh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very consumerist world view (get big house, get fun toys) that not everyone believes in. I choose to live in a more vibrant city where I essentially trade my money for opportunity, experiences, and community.

What do people mean when they say a city is "vibrant"?

It's hard to say. I've lived din large cities in Europe almost my entire life and that experience was "normal" then moved to the US suburbs where almost nothing happens. But a few years later when I visited New York and stayed for 3 nights, oh man, it was such a weird energy. It felt like I needed to be out every second, it felt that if I spent an hour sleeping in my hotel it's an hour wasted somehow. The fact that at any point in the day or night there were people filling the sidewalks made me want to be out there with them. I don't know how to explain it, but there was an energy driving me to do more.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

bmd3991 wrote: post #130

Edit: The below applies to people who don't want kids. I get why you wouldn't want to raise kids in somewhere like NYC (though I can also see the inverse). I don't comment often on HN but I feel like I had to chime in here with a bunch of questions. These may sound inflammatory but I mean them sincerely, I just don't see where people are coming from. I understand that a lot of the things I'm listing are negatives for…

If you want excitement, you can drive through parts of Chicago with bullet proof glass and experience a war zone.

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Post by steveklabnik »

throwawaygh wrote: post #174
santaclaus wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s certainly not East Coast, but it’s very North East - the rust belt spans well beyond the Midwest. Even culturally Pittsburgh feels like it has more in common with, say, Buffalo or other North Eastern rust belt cities than Wisconsin or Minnesota.

Exactly. I think Pittsburgh has more in common with non-NYC New York than with Ohio. It feels much more like a non-Boston/NYC Northeastern city than like e.g. Columbus or Indianapolis.

I'm from Pittsburgh, my partner is from New Jersey. We argue about this (in a playful way) all the time; Pittsburgh is east coast, to me. Ohio is midwest. She counters with "a seven hour drive to the water is not on the coast."

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Post by williamstein »

silexia wrote: post #78
bobwall wrote: post #52

Yup, just did this. Got an extra master suite, and 1.75 more bathrooms with much bigger yard and garage for $1100 less. And neighbors that actually talk to you. Not to mention half the price for gas and food. Oh, and the swings aren't chained up. Good-bye LA, I will not miss you one bit.

I did the same thing, I traded a third of an acre in Los Angeles for over a hundred acres in Washington State.

Me too; two weeks ago I traded a small house in Cap Hill, Seattle for a lot more space and friendly neighbors in more rural Washington about 20 minutes from the city. Loving it!

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Post by oramit »

bmd3991 wrote: post #130

Edit: The below applies to people who don't want kids. I get why you wouldn't want to raise kids in somewhere like NYC (though I can also see the inverse). I don't comment often on HN but I feel like I had to chime in here with a bunch of questions. These may sound inflammatory but I mean them sincerely, I just don't see where people are coming from. I understand that a lot of the things I'm listing are negatives for…

My thought on this is that a lot of people were already anti-city for various reasons and the COVID shock has provided "proof" that their preference for non city living is best. A large amount of people seem to be unable to accept that others just prefer living in cities or the burbs or rural. I guess it's part of our social hard-wiring. We can't just accept that we like this thing, we also need to believe that it's the best, and denigrate others who choose a different path.

I miss my public transit commute, my gym, my soccer club, and being able to go out with friends and just come across stuff happening. COVID has actually made it more clear to me that I'm a city person.

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Post by renewiltord »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #58
swashboon wrote: post #12

I worked with two developers in Boston who were DINK (Double Income No Kids) and they sold their Boston condo, moved to the Midwest (Minneapolis) and bought a six bedroom house on a lake and two jet-skis for the same price as their condo. Their cost of living went down tremendously. By their own standards they lost nothing compared to Boston (food/services/entertainment actually got better) except that they had to de…

I'm skeptical that the food/services/entertainment is actually better. What's the Asian food scene in Minneapolis? Can you get Sichuan, Hunan, Henan, and Yunnan or is it just that one Sichuan place? How about the movie theaters or theaters? I went from New York to Seattle and finding a theater that showed non-blockbusters was really hard. When I did find one, they were always three months behind New York. If I wanted…

Well, I think that's just a mismatch in your desire vectors. A couple I know moved to Austin and the guy visited me recently in SF. He was just so happy to be able to eat all the Asian food here. I'm like him as well: I'd like a variety of cuisine that is actually simply not available in most places in America. I also want to be close to major airports, live in a highly ethnically diverse place, the ocean, and a general non-authoritarian vibe. If I lived in the Midwest I'm probably not going to be hyper thrilled.

My genuine hope is that people who don't want the things I do go to places where they're happy. Jobs being located where I want to live actually harms my overall QoL.

Anyway, I hope the dot product of feature availability and desire rise for places that are not San Francisco.

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Post by williamstein »

tjr225 wrote: post #160
bmd3991 wrote: post #130

Edit: The below applies to people who don't want kids. I get why you wouldn't want to raise kids in somewhere like NYC (though I can also see the inverse). I don't comment often on HN but I feel like I had to chime in here with a bunch of questions. These may sound inflammatory but I mean them sincerely, I just don't see where people are coming from. I understand that a lot of the things I'm listing are negatives for…

I have a family(kid, partner, dogs) and just relocated from the Midwest back to Seattle. I couldn't stand living in the Midwest and lasted just under a year. I grew up there, and have lived in a couple larger cities throughout the midwest. The weather is absolutely terrible and if I lost my remote tech job I'd be SOL until I could find another one. It is harder to find other parents/families/friends with things in co…

There are also lots of more rural areas within 45 minutes of Seattle, with even lower crime and more space.

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Post by asdff »

zdragnar wrote: post #177
q845712 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in the midwest for over a decade and am married to a midwesterner. I'm also ethnically one of the 'model minorities' so to some people I'm white, while to white supremacists I'm assuredly not. Most people in most places are basically friendly. However. Even just being recognize you as 'other' can get old, like being asked "where are you from" or riding the bus in Chicago and having to answer questions about m…

I'm white, live in the midwest, and get asked all the time where I'm from. It's a form of small talk around here, where everyone knows everyone, or you might have grown up near someone they knew. Not too different from talking about the weather (though we do that more often, as well).

Surely you've experienced personally or seen firsthand the following microagression on a regular basis living in the midwest as I have, in a city that reliably votes 85% democrat no less:

"Where are you from?"

"Cleveland Heights."

"No, but like, where are you from?"

implying that this brown individual must surely have wound up from some far flung corner of the world, and that they couldn't have possibly been a native born person.

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Post by sieabahlpark »

dexwiz wrote: post #17

Moved from the Midwest to the Bay Area, and tech comes in two forms: IT departments at major industrial firms (manufacturing, chemical, pharma, etc), or companies that are eventually bought by West Coast companies. The pay cap is much lower. Becoming a millionaire through stocks and wages is harder, but you will still be in the top 10% of earners overall. If you want to live in a mansion, the Midwest makes this dream…

> What you will find is that people are friendly, as long as you look like them (white).

I think you're the racist here buddy.

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Post by bmd3991 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #222
bmd3991 wrote: post #130

Edit: The below applies to people who don't want kids. I get why you wouldn't want to raise kids in somewhere like NYC (though I can also see the inverse). I don't comment often on HN but I feel like I had to chime in here with a bunch of questions. These may sound inflammatory but I mean them sincerely, I just don't see where people are coming from. I understand that a lot of the things I'm listing are negatives for…

If you want excitement, you can drive through parts of Chicago with bullet proof glass and experience a war zone.

ok granny ( just playin ;) )
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