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Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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For people that work in any of these cities, how have you been enjoying it? What sort of tech companies are around? What do the job interviews and salaries out there look like?

Interviews are really tough. Salaries are awful. Seriously. Please stay in your coastal enclave. It's terrible here :)

Don't forget the terrible bbq and crowded traffic and Ferris Buehler's crashing all the parades!

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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I worked with two developers in Boston who were DINK (Double Income No Kids) and they sold their Boston condo, moved to the Midwest (Minneapolis) and bought a six bedroom house on a lake and two jet-skis for the same price as their condo. Their cost of living went down tremendously. By their own standards they lost nothing compared to Boston (food/services/entertainment actually got better) except that they had to deal with people on the Coast saying how boring it must be - scratch that - they weren't listening because they were having to much fun on their jet-skis...

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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For people that work in any of these cities, how have you been enjoying it? What sort of tech companies are around? What do the job interviews and salaries out there look like?

For programmers in Indianapolis, there's numerous opportunities. Salesforce has helped advance the salary curve.

Job interviews are pretty straightforward. Nothing like the FAANG grind. Salaries are $80K fresh out of college. Surpassing $200k is doable at places like Salesforce, Eli Lilly, etc..

Lots of "routine" programming jobs are in the $100-$140k range going from Senior to Staff. Higher levels of IC and management of course go up from there.

A nice house costs $200k.

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Off-topic - for any other non-Americans wondering why this eastern area is considered western: "The term West was applied to the region in the early years of the country. In the early 19th century, anything west of Appalachia was considered the West"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States#Backg...

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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For people that work in any of these cities, how have you been enjoying it? What sort of tech companies are around? What do the job interviews and salaries out there look like?

I think it runs the gambit, but for sure medical, biotech, and ag companies are huge. One of the biggest and fastest growths we've seen in Madison (even if we weren't cool enough to make the list) is Exact Sciences -- a company that provides and tests mail-in poop kits to test for early signs of colon cancer.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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For people that work in any of these cities, how have you been enjoying it? What sort of tech companies are around? What do the job interviews and salaries out there look like?

For programmers in Indianapolis, there's numerous opportunities. Salesforce has helped advance the salary curve. Job interviews are pretty straightforward. Nothing like the FAANG grind. Salaries are $80K fresh out of college. Surpassing $200k is doable at places like Salesforce, Eli Lilly, etc.. Lots of "routine" programming jobs are in the $100-$140k range going from Senior to Staff. Higher levels of IC and manageme…

Can you link to a nice house as a reference?

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Moved from the Midwest to the Bay Area, and tech comes in two forms: IT departments at major industrial firms (manufacturing, chemical, pharma, etc), or companies that are eventually bought by West Coast companies. The pay cap is much lower. Becoming a millionaire through stocks and wages is harder, but you will still be in the top 10% of earners overall.

If you want to live in a mansion, the Midwest makes this dream obtainable. Buy a 6 bedroom, lake (reservoir) side, 4k sqr ft home for less than a million. Of if you want an acre of lawn, but not live too far in the country.

What you will find is that people are friendly, as long as you look like them (white). (EDIT: This gets more pronounced the more rural you are. Cities tend to be more accepting. What you will find is that rural areas have more relative sway on thought compared to the West Coast.) Towns outside of major metropolitan areas are dying as most major industries that supported that last two generations have left. Drugs are a huge issue, but its not as obvious because the floor for homelessness is so much lower. The only major infrastructure and building projects that get approved are sports stadiums, because idiots in local government rather have sports teams than functioning schools.

What the Midwest does have is solid engineering and research universities, that graduate thousands of STEM oriented students a year. Unfortunately there are often over an hour from the nearest 250k+ city. I went to one, and I think less than 25% of my friends stayed in state. The brain drain is real.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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I worked with two developers in Boston who were DINK (Double Income No Kids) and they sold their Boston condo, moved to the Midwest (Minneapolis) and bought a six bedroom house on a lake and two jet-skis for the same price as their condo. Their cost of living went down tremendously. By their own standards they lost nothing compared to Boston (food/services/entertainment actually got better) except that they had to de…

Not that winter in Boston is particularly pleasant, but I feel like the jetskis are going to be a lot less fun when it's -40 out.

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I'm surprised not to see Madison, WI on this list. Our tech sector has been strong and growing for several decades - locally we have Epic Systems, Exact Sciences, Promega Corporation, Thermo Fisher Scientific, several large insurance companies like American Family Insurance, Sentry Insurance. It might be easy to miss the agglomeration of these companies in one area because some of them are technically in different municipalities than the City of Madison. But it's a great area, and most of the big players here have been spared or even strengthened by the unique circumstances of the pandemic.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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I worked with two developers in Boston who were DINK (Double Income No Kids) and they sold their Boston condo, moved to the Midwest (Minneapolis) and bought a six bedroom house on a lake and two jet-skis for the same price as their condo. Their cost of living went down tremendously. By their own standards they lost nothing compared to Boston (food/services/entertainment actually got better) except that they had to de…

Minneapolis is unbearable during the Winters. It is so cold you have to plug cars into outlets to keep the oil warm. They have underground tunnels between shopping malls, etc.

I lived in Boston and it is a much, much nicer environment.

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