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Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by curiousllama »

These jobs are tech roles in non-tech companies. Boeing, United, McDonalds, Koch Industries... all are big in the midwest, all need lots of tech folks, none are particularly techy companies.

All the really good tech people I've met either (1) leave for SV/NY or (2) work for quant trading shops.

For context, FAANG job postings in the midwest are all satellite-office positions: they'll hire good engineers here, but you're kinda working remote in the downtown office at a certain point.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by specialist »

zdragnar wrote: post #177
q845712 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in the midwest for over a decade and am married to a midwesterner. I'm also ethnically one of the 'model minorities' so to some people I'm white, while to white supremacists I'm assuredly not. Most people in most places are basically friendly. However. Even just being recognize you as 'other' can get old, like being asked "where are you from" or riding the bus in Chicago and having to answer questions about m…

I'm white, live in the midwest, and get asked all the time where I'm from. It's a form of small talk around here, where everyone knows everyone, or you might have grown up near someone they knew. Not too different from talking about the weather (though we do that more often, as well).

As you well know, it's more the how than the what.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by HelloFellowDevs »

zdragnar wrote: post #177
q845712 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in the midwest for over a decade and am married to a midwesterner. I'm also ethnically one of the 'model minorities' so to some people I'm white, while to white supremacists I'm assuredly not. Most people in most places are basically friendly. However. Even just being recognize you as 'other' can get old, like being asked "where are you from" or riding the bus in Chicago and having to answer questions about m…

I'm white, live in the midwest, and get asked all the time where I'm from. It's a form of small talk around here, where everyone knows everyone, or you might have grown up near someone they knew. Not too different from talking about the weather (though we do that more often, as well).

There's the small talk version of that, but then there's the following question of "where are you really from?" if you give them a less exotic answer than they were expecting.

Edit: wording

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by bmd3991 »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #173
bmd3991 wrote: post #130

Edit: The below applies to people who don't want kids. I get why you wouldn't want to raise kids in somewhere like NYC (though I can also see the inverse). I don't comment often on HN but I feel like I had to chime in here with a bunch of questions. These may sound inflammatory but I mean them sincerely, I just don't see where people are coming from. I understand that a lot of the things I'm listing are negatives for…

Honestly we see the hate because any opinion to the contrary is punching down. Downvote me all you like, but if a New Yorker says "Milwaukee/St Louis/Cleveland is worse than New York for these reasons" they get seen as elitist, coastal snobs. If the reverse happens and someone says "New York sucks for these reasons", nobody blinks an eye. When really, both options have their pros and cons. I'm not going to claim New…

Good point. I don't know that this explains everything, but it would be silly to think that this isn't at least part of it

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by mensetmanusman »

jacobriis wrote: post #120
nharada wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is saying every single person in the midwest is only friendly to white people. This is so obstinate it doesn't even seem genuine to me. At the risk of feeding the trolls -- I grew up in the midwest. I can tell you that I both experienced racism myself and saw a lot of it in my high school both in students and from my classmate's parents. Of course everyone isn't racist, and most folks are friendly and acceptin…

OP: "What you will find is that people are friendly, as long as you look like them (white)." P: "Of course everyone isn't racist, and most folks are friendly and accepting." If these statements are equivalent, you have my apologies. English is not my native language. I think I will have to study for 10 lifetimes to understand. "Some people are friendly only if you look like them" would be a more defensible claim. Pro…

"What you will find is that people are friendly, as long as you look like them (white)."

should be

"What you will find is that most people are friendly, as long as you look like them (white)."

So you are correct in noting the statements are not equivalent.

By leaving out the word ‘most’ for whatever reason (typo, bias, etc.), the communication efficiency of the comment was reduced. Good catch.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by myself248 »

jrockway wrote: post #18
swashboon wrote: post #12

I worked with two developers in Boston who were DINK (Double Income No Kids) and they sold their Boston condo, moved to the Midwest (Minneapolis) and bought a six bedroom house on a lake and two jet-skis for the same price as their condo. Their cost of living went down tremendously. By their own standards they lost nothing compared to Boston (food/services/entertainment actually got better) except that they had to de…

Not that winter in Boston is particularly pleasant, but I feel like the jetskis are going to be a lot less fun when it's -40 out.

Jetskis in summer, snowmobiles in winter.

Bass boat in the summer, ice-fishing shanty in winter.

Hiking in summer, hiking wearing more layers in winter.

We do just fine. :)

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by d33lio »

Well yeah, you can pay people pennies on the dollar here while they're convinced it's "cool" to live in bum-f*ck middle america. If you're lucky they might even buy a house, adding another barrier to leaving and moving to a real tech-hub once covid is no longer an issue.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by nilkn »

DetroitThrow wrote: post #158
scarmig wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm tarring an entire region because I say, truthfully, that I left it because I experienced discrimination there? Can you elaborate the ways I'm obligated to caveat and contextualize my experience so I don't hurt other people's feelings by honestly relaying it?

Being more specific about the locale would help. Nashville is not Atlanta, NOLA is not Tampa when it comes to flavors of discriminatory attitudes - and rural or suburban attitudes are different as well. Describing where you went to for relief also adds even more context.

Not to mention Houston, for instance, is one of the most diverse cities in the entire country -- more diverse than much of CA. It's also one of the largest and most iconic cities of the South.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by grugagag »

pratik661 wrote: post #189
scarmig wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they themselves have experienced discriminatory behavior in the Midwest? As an LGBT guy, I'm always direct when pointing out that I left the South partially because of discrimination, and someone is always happy to butt in to say I'm making it all up and the South is perfectly open and tolerant. It gets tiring.

I’m not LGBT (but I’m an ethnic minority who grew up in suburban Atlanta). I wanted to add that personally it’s not enough to just be ‘tolerated’. I’d rather be in a place where I’m “mainstream” or at least normalized. In that sense (for me as a South Asian) the Bay Area and NYC are no comparison so the South or the Midwest. I feel like I’m an active member of mainstream society there, not someone in the sides.

That is very cultural as well. I'm of Eastern European origin (white) and feel quite at home in large cities with varied population and racial variety and would feel quite uncomfortable to live permanently in the rural south just because of cultural differences.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by d33lio »

dexwiz wrote: post #17

Moved from the Midwest to the Bay Area, and tech comes in two forms: IT departments at major industrial firms (manufacturing, chemical, pharma, etc), or companies that are eventually bought by West Coast companies. The pay cap is much lower. Becoming a millionaire through stocks and wages is harder, but you will still be in the top 10% of earners overall. If you want to live in a mansion, the Midwest makes this dream…

Even between Austin and NYC I've noticed these differences. I'd still take the latent bible thumping in Austin over the insane political cliques of NYC though.
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