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Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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I like Telegram, but I‘m not sure it is the prime candidate for privacy / secure communication. Hopefully Matrix gains traction. Element is getting better but is still full of bugs...

I couldn't see Matrix in the play store, the web page is unusable: I wanted to try it, not ,,learn more''. I installed Element, but it required username/password pair. I understand that it's a bit more secure than using phone number+email for first authentication, but it makes discovery of friends too hard. It trades too much UX for security, just like PGP.

> It trades too much UX for security, just like PGP.

Thats similar to what eMail does, it trades UX for [nothing] (would place decentralisation there if it were not for gmail etc.)

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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I doubt a US ban will have much effect on a french open source project.

The US govt will just convince their Nine Eyes friends to adopt the same legislation and that's the end of that, as well.

The authoritarian stream in the EU are already working on something similar, but it will be a much harder sell and i still hope we can stop it, before it is too late.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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post #47

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And I strongly believe apathy will be the death of freedom. This is a needlessly negative outlook. Click the link, support the EFF. Educate your friends and family. Defeatism is not a compelling philosophy.

Exactly. I see this defeatism all the time regarding climate change too. It's OK to feel defeated. But why the hell would you spend energy to spread that defeatism?!

> I see this defeatism all the time regarding climate change too.

And I see people suggest that we aren't completely screwed because we got 10,000 people to walk down a street one time. Its an insane position and we need dramatic measures that the human race in its current form are unable to enact.

* Climate change is going to happen because people like cars and supermarkets and nobody is asking anyone to _actually_ sacrifice anything. Much of the climate change movement is "someone else should do something about it" and those that cut themselves by going "off-grid" just make themselves quieter and are replaced by twenty more people with growing carbon footprints.

* Online security is fucked because the vast majority of people can't handle more than a modicum of detail. Its on the technical class (i.e. the 5%-15%) to protect it by hook or crook. It will lose in a democratic battle to preserve it because people aren't interested enough to care and its too complex.

My suggestion is that defeatism posits a better question to answer: "What do we do once we've lost?".

The answer to that question yields something useful instead of the suspension of disbelief that the human race will suddenly turn over a new leaf.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Back in late medieval europa most postal services had a back room, called cabinet noir where letters where carefully opened, read and resealed to check them for signs of treason against the crown or cross. These were often abused for what we today would call economic espionage. For these reasons many rich people employed private couriers who traveled to their business partners in person to hand over messages. Those who could not afford such luxury had to rely on codes. The prevalence of such codes however increased the chance of being misunderstood by those who searched for treason. When the emerging middle class started to demand political power in the renaissance it was answered with violence and repression. Those who wrote the constitutions of all modern western nations understood that democracy can only exist when the state has no business reading the correspondence of its citizens.

Today many argue the state has a need to access such correspondence to prevent crime, but such a need is like the need of an addict: nothing good can come from it and the people should not enable these institutions to satisfy an ever growing demand for insight into their private lives. One must remember that democracy is founded on the believe that thoughts and words are not crimes and everyone must be free to express them-self in public, but even more so in private correspondence. A society that mistrusts its own citizens to a point where all those that whisper to each other are called criminals, dealers, traitors or terrorists is rotten at its core.

And yet some still say: but if the state can read all private correspondence it would be so much easier to catch criminals. And yes, it is true that these totalitarian methods ar efficient in fighting street level crime. However for society as a whole, such methods enable a terror of the state that is a crime against humanity itself. They say "but the state will never abuse its power" and i say: it did countless times before. Do not stray away from liberty and freedom for promises of safety made by those that profit from oppression.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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All of you smart arses out here and there, we know it, we know. We know, VPNs and other stuff in between are not so secure and not private. Stop saying it, don't you have some other piece of knowledge to be proud of? for god's sake. Tor and Signal are better than Public Cloud, Chrome & SMS if you're looking for privacy. Don't you have common sense? - HTTPS is more secure and private than HTTP - Signal is more secure…

This tirade and "go improve it" recommendation may make sense in a vacuum, without governments undermining encryption and criminalizing parts of the activities to provide secure, private comms "because terrorism/pornography/covid/whatever". In the real world, many states freely admit that they will fight against secure, private messaging between citizens (say, because law enforcement needs a backdoor to solve crimes)…

Why not work on said technology? It can even end up being very lucrative to take up the cause. Do you forget that prior to the 90s (and also during part of the 90s) much of the lead-in to the completely common, widely commercially and privately used digital encryption we have today was completely discouraged or even made illegal by governments except for their own use.

It was a generation of pioneers who weren't quite so timid about working on new technology and fight absurd, archaic laws that built the foundations of modern consumer/commercial encryption. The U.S government especially tried very hard to chill these efforts too, and failed (so far at least).

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Back in late medieval europa most postal services had a back room, called cabinet noir where letters where carefully opened, read and resealed to check them for signs of treason against the crown or cross. These were often abused for what we today would call economic espionage. For these reasons many rich people employed private couriers who traveled to their business partners in person to hand over messages. Those w…

How ironic that you say that in a forum that censors speech it does not want you to hear. Yup … just like this. Yes, you are the badies, mods/admins.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Back in late medieval europa most postal services had a back room, called cabinet noir where letters where carefully opened, read and resealed to check them for signs of treason against the crown or cross. These were often abused for what we today would call economic espionage. For these reasons many rich people employed private couriers who traveled to their business partners in person to hand over messages. Those w…

serious q: encryption challenges the authority of government and the power of its leaders. Why would they willingly give up this power, when they can manufacture consent[1] via a perpetual state of war[2] ?

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=manufacturing+consent [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=perpetual+war

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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I strongly believe we have lost the war for privacy and security (against state level actors) already. Once the net adopted the platform model, we were screwed. Platforms are as easy to regulate, as for example the telephone companies were back in the days. They were easily forced to comply with wiretapping demands of the government. The moment a central platform controlled (most of) our communication and was able to…

Government and coporations are just systems. If people want a certain thing those systems change. Simple as. However, change takes decades sometimes. Just form good privacy habits so you don't even feel any inconvenience. And most importantly, tell people. Get the idea across that privacy has value. Tell companies you've chosen competitors over them because of their privacy policy. Ask businesses how long they keep your data. Ask people if you can use alternative technology.

It really is a case that if you give up then it will be over. Just make it a part of your life. I'm not asking you to rally every week. Just don't forget about it and positive change will come.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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post #94

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I prefered the context given on this petition page: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/dont-let-congress-kill-e... > Just a few months ago, Senator Lindsey Graham (R–SC) delivered an ominous threat to Apple, Facebook, and any other tech company that might refuse to kill encryption programs that prevent malicious hackers, law enforcement officers, and others from accessing our private communications systems: "You're…

> You see, the EARN IT Act grants the Attorney General broad authority to force tech companies to do whatever he wants I looked and could not find this. That article did not offer any specifics either.

https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/01/earn-it-act-how-b...

Scroll to summary, specifically "Section 230 immunity for CSAM can be earned via 1 of 2 “safe harbors”."

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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> I strongly believe we have lost the war for privacy and security (against state level actors) already. Once the net adopted the platform model, we were screwed. This is very pessimistic. People still can understand the dangers (and are understanding) and switch to decentralized platforms, which by the way are actively being developed: https://joinmastodon.org .

Do you really see most people leaving the likes of Facebook, Instagram and Twitter? I don't think they care about privacy enough to stop doing what's easy and fun

People have been leaving Facebook in droves. Hardly any of the original users use the platform regularly. Facebook has only remained relevant by buying relevant platforms as they start to take off. Companies that declines an offer or regulation to prevent this buy up behavior is what it takes. Social networks have no monetary buy in to discourage switching the moment your friends aren't on the platform any longer
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