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Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by ghastmaster »

brushfoot wrote: post #86
ghastmaster wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notwithstanding means in spite of paragraph 6. So 7(see above) preempts 6(see below). “(6) NO EFFECT ON CHILD SEXUAL EXPLOITATION LAW.—Nothing in this section (other than subsection (c)(2)(A)) shall be construed to impair or limit— “(A) any claim in a civil action brought against a provider of an interactive computer service under section 2255 of title 18, United States Code, if the conduct underlying the claim const…

So what's the reason for the EFF's warning?

Sadly, they did not point to any specific parts of the bill that would support their claims.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by Nasrudith »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #5

I think that the key point that should be addressed by those against this bill and these laws in general is: How to conduct legitimate law enforcement business and police investigations at a time when most communications have moved online? The reason the Attorney General and the DOJ want some sort of access to communications is not to undermine free speech and to take over the world, it is because they know that with…

It isn't a problem - it is a solution. The answer to the question is "Go after the crimes in the real world you disingenuous lazy assholes!". If they said that they couldn't stop mobsters because they whispered to each other and talked in euphemisms they would be rightfully be thrown out on their ass as a worthless incompetents.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by fsflover »

toyg wrote: post #73
zaarn wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if a mastodon instance admin decides to ban you, that's their personal decision. You can go to another instance. If another user blocks you, that's on them but you have no right to push your messages into another user's home system. If all else fails, you can host your own. It's ultimate free speech as intended and as someone who hosts a mastodon instance, it's a system that works pretty good, there is no notic…

I think tokamak meant they will be banned by law , which sadly I can see happening - it effectively happened already with napster and bittorrent in some jurisdictions.

To fight this, please use Mastodon and/or create an instance in it. It must become as widespread as possible to become the norm, then it cannot be (easily) banned.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by dmos62 »

ghastmaster wrote: post #75
dmos62 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't challenge the bill directly, but I'll point out that putting "crimes against children" front and center smells of misdirection, so it begs the question of what's really the bill's goal (though that could be just bad campaigning). Also, Edward Snowden spoke out against this bill. That's hearsay, but personally I've a fair amount of trust in his assessments.

The meat of the bill is that it establishes a commission (yes yet another, unpaid though!) that will establish and forward best practices to AG Barr concerning child sexual exploitation online. It is possible that one of the recommendations might be establishing a backdoor. In the future that recommendation would then be used to argue for legislation. Snowden is great, but do your own research. Edit: I usually trust…

I prefered the context given on this petition page: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/dont-let-congress-kill-e...

> Just a few months ago, Senator Lindsey Graham (R–SC) delivered an ominous threat to Apple, Facebook, and any other tech company that might refuse to kill encryption programs that prevent malicious hackers, law enforcement officers, and others from accessing our private communications systems: "You're going to find a way to do this or we're going to do it for you."

> Graham has authored the Eliminating Abusive and Rampant Neglect of Interactive Technologies Act of 2019 — or EARN IT Act [...]

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by CryptoPunk »

metadatabad wrote: post #89

I remember someone from here posting about how the user contacted Feinstein and got the most boilerplate response possible. They honestly do not care about the citizens at this point.

Perusing /r/politics, all I see is astroturfing, and it garners tens of thousands of upvotes.

The age of true democratic participation is over. Politicians have no need to care about the ordinary constituent to win elections.

They just need to win over the elite, and know how to deliver their scripts.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by zaarn »

toyg wrote: post #73
zaarn wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if a mastodon instance admin decides to ban you, that's their personal decision. You can go to another instance. If another user blocks you, that's on them but you have no right to push your messages into another user's home system. If all else fails, you can host your own. It's ultimate free speech as intended and as someone who hosts a mastodon instance, it's a system that works pretty good, there is no notic…

I think tokamak meant they will be banned by law , which sadly I can see happening - it effectively happened already with napster and bittorrent in some jurisdictions.

I doubt a US ban will have much effect on a french open source project.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by ghastmaster »

Nasrudith wrote: post #87
ghastmaster wrote: post #50

> The EARN IT Act cynically uses crimes against children as an excuse to hand control of online privacy and speech over to state legislatures I like the idea of federal legislature ceding power to state legislatures. Additionally, it looks like encryption is offered more protections in this bill, Considering federal laws preempt state, especially with regard to telecommunications, I do not see what the risks are with…

Handing national interstate matters over to states has proven to always be a terrible idea as it leads to a selective representation as they rule over far more than can vote for them. Doing so for the internet is doubly terrible given that location of all parties isn't reasonably known ahead of time nor usually relevant.

> they rule over far more than can vote for them

I've never heard the commerce clause explained that way. Very cool.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by TapaJob »

The question is what is really secure?

Running Telegram, over multiple VPN's?

Accessing Gmail over multiple VPN's so Google doesnt get to know where you are 'really' logging on from?

Making your own VPN network over a combination of AWS, G-Cloud, Azure, DO and Aliyun to 'hide' your actual location?

Peoples thoughts?

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by throw0101a »

sdoering wrote: post #3

I strongly believe we have lost the war for privacy and security (against state level actors) already. Once the net adopted the platform model, we were screwed. Platforms are as easy to regulate, as for example the telephone companies were back in the days. They were easily forced to comply with wiretapping demands of the government. The moment a central platform controlled (most of) our communication and was able to…

> Once the net adopted the platform model, we were screwed.

So stop being another brick in the wall: stop using the platforms just because it is convenient. For example:

* https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Post by ghastmaster »

dmos62 wrote: post #94
ghastmaster wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The meat of the bill is that it establishes a commission (yes yet another, unpaid though!) that will establish and forward best practices to AG Barr concerning child sexual exploitation online. It is possible that one of the recommendations might be establishing a backdoor. In the future that recommendation would then be used to argue for legislation. Snowden is great, but do your own research. Edit: I usually trust…

I prefered the context given on this petition page: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/dont-let-congress-kill-e... > Just a few months ago, Senator Lindsey Graham (R–SC) delivered an ominous threat to Apple, Facebook, and any other tech company that might refuse to kill encryption programs that prevent malicious hackers, law enforcement officers, and others from accessing our private communications systems: "You're…

> You see, the EARN IT Act grants the Attorney General broad authority to force tech companies to do whatever he wants

I looked and could not find this. That article did not offer any specifics either.

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