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Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by mkarklins »

KurtMueller wrote: post #135
tmpz22 wrote: post #81

I spent some time learning dotnet core this year and with the slow-grind progress Microsoft has made it really does look like the technology stack might start to replace Java, Go, Rails, NodeJS, over the next decade. You can really feel Microsoft's experience in language development and enterprise software development coming together to provide better ecosystem ergonomics than other frameworks and toolchains. Specifi…

Is it as good as rails? When I run a rails new command, I can setup my postgres connection, nodejs and webpack libraries, rails core library in one command. Rails has database migrations with conventions i like - the timestamp and a file name that represents the action to be performed against the database (e.g. AddNameToBlogs) which that can also be rolled back. I also really like the Rails restful router which is st…

Yes, I recently transitioned to net core. First of I'd say that trying to find a 1:1 feature/convention parity between the frameworks won't work. E.g. in aspnetcore you'll add an attribute to model and after generating a new migration the column change will already be in-place. Most of the time it works out-of-the-box, you can always edit the migration if needed

What I found lacking (at the time) was specifically a better Webpack integration, similar to rails. Also I got used to having rspec, in net core world you have xUnit which is something like ruby TestUnit.

At the start I also found DependencyInjection a bit confusing and also the fact that in Aspnetcore the models/entities aren't like AR models where you have a bunch of validation/instance methods inside it. In .net you try to separate everything in repositories/validators/viewModels.

But yes, unlike Rails, .net won't have an opinionated way on how to do things.

All-in-all I'm quite satisfied with the experience. Though I will say that Rails is still a tad more "batteries included" type of thing.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by manigandham »

cutler wrote: post #137
manigandham wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can already do that by running Node with SSR (or any npm/js code) in .NET using Node Services [1] or use ReactJS.NET that packages everything for you [2]. But Microsoft won't officially do any more since they have Blazor which lets you run C#/.NET in the browser with both client-side WASM and server-side SignalR/websocket running modes. It's much more advanced and functional than React already. [3] 1. https://cha…

Blazor is currenlty hobbled by having to haul its runtime across the wire and is thus not in a position to compete with React or Vue.

The server-side model doesn't have this issue and the client-side WASM model is brand new with the first production release a month ago so it will get better soon.

The browser runtime is trimmed down to the APIs actually used, has dynamic async loading now, and it's around the 1.5MB mark which is competitive with the big SPA payloads.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by contextfree »

chrisseaton wrote: post #33
jolux wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"in anger" typically means for a real-world, serious project.

Is this a Britishism? I find Americans often are confused by it when I use it.

As an American I realize I've only ever encountered it (that I remember) in the context of software development libraries and tools.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by tasogare »

bovermyer wrote: post #97
tmpz22 wrote: post #81

I spent some time learning dotnet core this year and with the slow-grind progress Microsoft has made it really does look like the technology stack might start to replace Java, Go, Rails, NodeJS, over the next decade. You can really feel Microsoft's experience in language development and enterprise software development coming together to provide better ecosystem ergonomics than other frameworks and toolchains. Specifi…

Disregarding popularity, why should I switch to C#/dotnet from PHP/Go/Ruby?

You can stay on PHP and run it on dotnet using the PeachPie compiler.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by tempfs »

manigandham wrote: post #90
tmpz22 wrote: post #81

I spent some time learning dotnet core this year and with the slow-grind progress Microsoft has made it really does look like the technology stack might start to replace Java, Go, Rails, NodeJS, over the next decade. You can really feel Microsoft's experience in language development and enterprise software development coming together to provide better ecosystem ergonomics than other frameworks and toolchains. Specifi…

It already has replaced those (or prevented them from ever catching on) in thousands of companies. .NET was always fast and highly productive, and the last 5 years of .NET Core have taken it to the next level. The language stack is unmatched in terms of how quickly you can make a high-quality product across many different platforms.

Fast? #lolno

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by pjmlp »

tmpz22 wrote: post #81

I spent some time learning dotnet core this year and with the slow-grind progress Microsoft has made it really does look like the technology stack might start to replace Java, Go, Rails, NodeJS, over the next decade. You can really feel Microsoft's experience in language development and enterprise software development coming together to provide better ecosystem ergonomics than other frameworks and toolchains. Specifi…

I have worked with .NET and Java since they exist, jumping between stacks either when moving between jobs or consulting projects, nowadays I tend to be more focused on .NET.

Yet I don't see .NET getting on Java turf as much as many Internet thinks it can.

It remains mostly a Windows stack (so many enterprise third party are yet to release Core stuff that is actually cross platform), and there are plenty of platforms without any kind of .NET support, yet you will find a Java vendor on them.

Also ironically Microsoft is now a OpenJDK member and they are the ones doing the Apple Silicon support.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by pjmlp »

KurtMueller wrote: post #135
tmpz22 wrote: post #81

I spent some time learning dotnet core this year and with the slow-grind progress Microsoft has made it really does look like the technology stack might start to replace Java, Go, Rails, NodeJS, over the next decade. You can really feel Microsoft's experience in language development and enterprise software development coming together to provide better ecosystem ergonomics than other frameworks and toolchains. Specifi…

Is it as good as rails? When I run a rails new command, I can setup my postgres connection, nodejs and webpack libraries, rails core library in one command. Rails has database migrations with conventions i like - the timestamp and a file name that represents the action to be performed against the database (e.g. AddNameToBlogs) which that can also be rolled back. I also really like the Rails restful router which is st…

Is Rails as fast as .NET?

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by atraac »

manigandham wrote: post #146
Thaxll wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure net core will remain for a long time in the enterprise world before making anything in the more open source / general public. It's 2020 I can't name a single server side known application built in net core.

Sonarr/Radarr/Lidarr/Emby/Ombi/Jackett/Jellyfin are all very popular media servers and download managers built in .NET Bitwarden is a self-hosted lastpass/1password competitor in .NET You've probably used oauth somewhere powered by IdentityServer, played a game built in Unity, and used a mobile app built with Xamarin.

Unity's not .NET Core though, and probably won't be for quite a while.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by tasogare »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #130
atombender wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a document describing this plan? Will this replace .NET Core, CoreRT, etc.? As someone who isn't a .NET developer, the sheer proliferation of runtimes and platforms is super confusing, and I can never remember what's what between, .NET, .NET Native, .NET Framework, .NET Core, Mono, CoreRT, etc. If this is getting cleaned up, that's great news.

As far as .NET goes, MS has a long history of confusing messaging. As soon as something gets traction it either gets obsoleted or renamed. They would do themselves a big favor if they made it easier for people to understand the different versions.

> As soon as something gets traction it either gets obsoleted or renamed.

This is sadly totally true.

Re: .NET Orleans

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Post by saagarjha »

pjmlp wrote: post #156
tmpz22 wrote: post #81

I spent some time learning dotnet core this year and with the slow-grind progress Microsoft has made it really does look like the technology stack might start to replace Java, Go, Rails, NodeJS, over the next decade. You can really feel Microsoft's experience in language development and enterprise software development coming together to provide better ecosystem ergonomics than other frameworks and toolchains. Specifi…

I have worked with .NET and Java since they exist, jumping between stacks either when moving between jobs or consulting projects, nowadays I tend to be more focused on .NET. Yet I don't see .NET getting on Java turf as much as many Internet thinks it can. It remains mostly a Windows stack (so many enterprise third party are yet to release Core stuff that is actually cross platform), and there are plenty of platforms…

Possibly, but the server JDK I’m running right now wasn’t ported by them ;)
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