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Adults with ADHD show decreased function in brain dopamine reward pathway (2010)

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+1 on the XR makes it worse, but -1 on the only other reason being abuse. These drugs are not one-size-fits-all. Different people have different reactions.

> These drugs are not one-size-fits-all. True but...on a probability basis, the two situations I gave are more than the majority of people's reason.

What goes up must come down in the equilibrium. The more amphetamine salts you take the harsher the crash and withdrawal.

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I'm on 6x10 mg of ritalin, and one thing that helped me with it losing its effectiveness is taking a reduced or no dose on weekends, and making a concerted effort to get plenty of sleep. I noticed that I'd be sleeping less when I took it, and eventually the ritalin was just counteracting how tired I was, but not providing any benefit beyond that.

Unfortunately this didn't work for me because it meant I would just sleep 20 hours a day of weekends and essentially didn't have a weekend

that's me right now. i dont take it weekends in hope i dont get dependent on it.

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I am very interested in this but am currently located in Scandinavia. What does the training practically entail? Is it some kind of device on the head that you then learn to use with an on-screen app where you can get feedback on your "state" like meditation but with an interface? I remember reading about this years ago and wondering when the tech would be available for use in-home. Do you need to go to a professiona…

There can be a lot to understand depending on how much change your actually looking for (so much I could write a book). But its just putting EEG electrodes on the skull to record frequency ranges in the brain. These frequencies(Delta, Gamma and Alpha) relate to the "focus", "relaxation"(related to meditation) and "cross-talk" functions of the brain that primarily are controlled by the Sensory-Motor Cortex. There are…

Thank you! Do you have any leads book wise, a certain methodology or a though leader in the field?

I think i will try to find a place similar to yours in Scandinavia but want the quality to be right.

Alternatively i am thinking if consumer EEG electrodes are good enough at this time to create a personal setup.

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Would you share some of your assumedly true understanding?

It's a massive topic to cover in the scope of HN comments. ADHD also tends to be a touchy subject on HN. For a less heated parallel, consider reading up on how the "chemical imbalance" narrative has been harmful for public perception of psychiatry: https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/debunking-two-chemical... . People consume a lot of medication ads (in the US) and bite-sized, reductionist narratives about neurotra…

The problem with "Read this book on study habits, leave your phone in another room while studying, use timeboxing..." isn't that it's unappealing (and a reasonably smart person should be able to figure out most of these without being told). It's that these approaches don't really work if you don't have some baseline ability to focus. And too often it comes out just as "you're stupid and lazy".

For the reference, where I live we don't have ads for prescription medication. On the other hand everything tends to be diagnosed as depression and treated with antidepressants, no matter what symptoms are.

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I have ADHD and have noticed that I have extreme difficulty maintaining a schedule or forming habits. Almost everything I do is the result of by moment to moment decisions. I flit from project to project as needed, and have hundreds of things going on all the time.

This inability to form habits is extreme. If something's not right in front of me I forget that it exists. I've tried to start smoking, but as soon as the pack is gone I forget to buy another. I don't shower until it starts to effect me. I don't sleep until I can't keep my eyes open. I forget to eat until my stomach hurts. I truly don't believe I can become addicted to anything. I've been tempted to try crack because I've heard that everybody gets addicted to it and I might be able to use it to create artificial motivation in myself. I tried chewing nicotine gum every time I took a shower, but I just couldn't remember to do it, and it wasn't helping enough with forming habits.

I also have memory problems and basically have to re-invent everything from scratch all the time. I'm really good at solving problems so I've been able to cover up most of my failings. One story that highlights this happened when I was taking the ACT. There was one question at the end that I had to invent calculus to solve. I had a feeling that I hadn't solved a problem like it before, but I went ahead and solved it anyway and got every question on the math section correct. My verbal skills on the other hand were just barely acceptable.

Another anecdote about lack of schedule and routine also comes from my highschool time. Between classes I'd routinely forget that I had another class to go to. I'd see someone in the hall and start talking until the bell rang. In my highschool being late 3 times was equivalent to an absence, and 7 absences was an automatic fail. Needless to say I had probably the worst GPA in history. I also did very well on tests, but could never ever remember to read my book or do my homework.

Basically, a consistent theme is I'm totally worthless until I stumble into a magical sprint where I get 2 months worth of work done overnight.

I just spent from 1:30am to about 5:00am in my car with my laptop and was able to make 6 much needed git commits as well as taking care of a bunch of other issues with my main project. The last commits were the end of August with 14 commits over just a few days.

Wow, that was a ramble, but I've been up for about 30 hours now so that's not surprising.

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I have ADHD and have noticed that I have extreme difficulty maintaining a schedule or forming habits. Almost everything I do is the result of by moment to moment decisions. I flit from project to project as needed, and have hundreds of things going on all the time. This inability to form habits is extreme. If something's not right in front of me I forget that it exists. I've tried to start smoking, but as soon as the…

Tried going to a doctor ? How many hours do you sleep ?

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i have severe ADD, and i dont have the patience with myself to read enough of this article to benefit my understanding of it.

Take a look at this new treatment(neurofeedback)[1]. It changed my life. Instead of changing brain chemically you can change the structure of your brain. It's not ADHD that's the problem, its the focus networks in the brain not being trained properly. ADHD becomes a gift when you can focus and the brain just naturally learns, and memorizes very well. I went from being incapable of anything to being really great at an…

The evidence currently suggest that Neurofeedback does not outperform a placebo. There's a nice round up of the research at the bottom of this article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-myths/201302/r....

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You know what's totally nuts? Taking Amphetamine daily for years in reasonable doses essentially has no long term negative effects. In that way, similar to coffee. When I think about that, it's kind of mind blowing. For that matter, it is also crazy that we don't start giving children coffee at younger ages to help focus — since there are no known negative effects. It's just a cultural trope that it stunts growth, et…

In some cultures it's common to give kids coffee. My parents didn't give me coffee when I was a kid but my wife's parents started giving it to her at an early age. My kids both drink coffee. My older one started on black coffee when he was 2. It's just a routine part of his day. Coffee at breakfast and then at cafecito in the afternoon.

Coffee has been shown to reduce the length and quality of REM sleep, which is very important for early brain development. Read the relevant section in ‘Why We Sleep’ and you may change your mind.

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Unfortunately this didn't work for me because it meant I would just sleep 20 hours a day of weekends and essentially didn't have a weekend

that's me right now. i dont take it weekends in hope i dont get dependent on it.

If this is the effect it had you on then you're dependent. But luckily in my case, and I think most cases, it's not really a psychological dependency. It took me maybe three months or more to kick the physical withdrawal effects

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Caffeine in an espresso shot (and conversely one cappuccino) is ~63-77mg[1], and one can of Coca-Cola & Diet is 32mg & 42mg[2]. [1] Nespresso is 63mg (5g of coffee), "average" espresso is 77mg (7g of coffee) https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-content/espresso [2] https://www.coca-cola.co.uk/ingredients/caffeine/the-caffein...

It would seem some espresso do have the same caffeine as a can of coke, some even clock in less, but ya on average it seems to have about double the amount. That said, most coffee shop serve double espressos as standard, so if you factor that in, it seems on average your cup of cappuccino might have four time the caffeine than a can of coke.

That's true, forgot about that part (and why I take them into account as "2 shots" in my max daily coffees).

There's also a couple Nespresso (maybe Keurig and others, too) capsules with double the caffeine content: Kazaar and Napoli.

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