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Adults with ADHD show decreased function in brain dopamine reward pathway (2010)

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I get minor strokes a lot. TIAs. So far haven’t a full blown stroke. My blood is sticky(factor 5 Leiden), and cranial pressure runs high. I tried going off blood thinners 2 months ago, for about a week. Dumb move. My right side has regained most of its strength and sensation. Neurologist chewed me out royal. I have to be very careful with meds.

Ah, good luck to you! I can see why you wouldn't want to add any risk factors at all. Sorry to be nosy but do you need to avoid caffeine?

Yes! I don’t avoid it nearly enough because, well high demand job. But I try.

Fewer stimulants I take the better. Vascular constrictors are dangerous for me.

Green Tea seems to not bother me. So I try and drink that or water.

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I'm an ADD adult and this especially hits me when I'm participating competitions, be it leetcode coding competition or examination. I just hate to do it and every other bits of attention source will got me seeked on, like a notification from my phone, or someone dropped a pen to the ground. That's how fast I lost focus. But on the other hand sometimes I can be extra-focused, with a prerequisite it's something I enjoy…

I agree with the "blessing and curse" characterization. I owe my career to thousands of hours spent hyperfocused on learning programming languages for fun while I was supposed to be doing homework. On the other hand, I've come close to losing my job because of difficulty carrying out assigned tasks that don't matter to me.

Interesting contrast though: for me leetcode, certain exams, and interviews often trigger hyperfocus. Studying and assignments, as well as day-to-day work, rarely do. I take a fair bit of medication so I can do my job. I'm trying to pivot towards something which more naturally engages my interest, maybe SRE or security work.

Interesting how we're all affected differently. I recommend skimming "delivered from distraction" if you haven't already, there are some good tips in there on how ADHD folks can deliberately create the right conditions for flow.

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I recommend this book to anyone suffering from ADD. The author did over 80.000 brainscans. not affiliated https://www.amazon.com/Healing-ADD-Revised-Breakthrough-Prog... A 80 minute video about ADD by the author: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWnJ4wjVu9k

Too much of this is religion dressed up. People paying for miraculous salvation. Martin Luther would have something to say here.

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This makes a ton of sense to me. When I was a kid, just about everyone (including my parents) knew I had ADD/ADHD, but never did anything about it. Including myself. It wasn't until I lost a job because I was so easily distractable that I realized how much of a hold it had on my life. Medication helps, but really only on making it easier to pry myself from distractions.

But this study clarifies so much of my behaviour and self-image from when I was a kid to now. I bully myself fiercely, and never understood why I should be praised for high grades, when it was something expected of me. That definitely extends to now, where I can finish/deliver a product, but feel _nothing_ about it. No sense of accomplishment, no relief that something's shipped. Nothing. It stops me from taking on hobbies or really doing anything with the material that I learn. Leads to regular burnout and cycles of depression.

The article references methylphenidate as a good drug for ADHD, specifically for motivation. This makes me sad, because I'm on it, and not feeling very motivated.

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Software engineering gave me the opportunity to go from being in the bottom economic class to the highest. And guess what, when I was a kid and college student I didn’t have the resources to obtain mental health treatment. Now that I’m a software engineer I can afford therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists that help me manage ADHD and bipolar. I’m still the same person. I just have more access now.

Sure - also the metrics measured in industry are not the same as the metrics measured in school. What you're saying doesn't seem at odds with what I'm saying. I would, however, be interested in seeing a study where they give kids with ADHD adderall and give kids without ADHD adderall and see if the test-score residual is statistically significantly higher for the ADHD group. I have not seen any convincing experimenta…

Nobody ever claimed so. Amphetamines help (until they only "help", of course) everybody, that's well known.

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You know what's totally nuts? Taking Amphetamine daily for years in reasonable doses essentially has no long term negative effects. In that way, similar to coffee. When I think about that, it's kind of mind blowing. For that matter, it is also crazy that we don't start giving children coffee at younger ages to help focus — since there are no known negative effects. It's just a cultural trope that it stunts growth, et…

I drank coffee for several years (around 4 cups a day, not later than 4pm) and suffered from insomnia and didn’t know the origin. Since I stopped caffeine intake, my insomnia is basically gone and I feel a lot more functional because of better sleep. So my impression (yeah I have to admit it’s a study of size 1) is rather that caffeine is more dangerous than I thought.

I wonder what it means if I can drink 4 espressos before bed and sleep like a baby... does anyone have research on caffeine metabolisms and ADHD / other diagnoses?

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Does anyone else think the NIH online reader is a disastrous UI for mobile? I mean yes there is a PDF link at the top, please don't point out the obvious. I just mean who the heck checked the box to accept this work, or worse yet demanded this horrible pagination interface? I'm sure that they've been promoted to the highest levels in this fail-up world...

Yes, and the same applies to virtually all other research databases. I’d forgotten this until you mentioned it because I’ve become so habituated to going direct to PDF.

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I'm eternally annoyed that nobody on this page mentions the Racetams (Aniracetam, Piracatam, etc.) as potential alternatives to dosing speed everyday. I myself began to have heart issues from even just Ritalin (mild perhaps compared to Addy or Vyvanse). Fasoracetam in particular looks promising but seems to be stuck in approval limbo: https://nootro.info/fasoracetam-adhd-treatment/

Cf. phenylpiracetam - developed for the Soviet cosmonauts in '83 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylpiracetam

Indeed thank you, but no follow-ups or recent developments in other 'Racetams it seems. Modafinil is the only one that comes to mind that is atypical but has made strides in being a prescribed alternative.

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I was prescribed bupropion to stave off lack of energy and possibly heighten my mood. To my surprise it made me so sleepy I had to take it before bed.

For most other people it seems like they can hardly sleep while on bupropion.

I was told via forums that I might have ADD/ADHD because of this reaction.

What does HN think of this reaction?

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> Lisdexamfetamine is profoundly different than other variants of amphetamine in utility and experience. It’s not just a prodrug – it has a rather clever molecular time-release mechanism I'm not sure how much truth there is to this claim. As you mentioned, Lisdexamfetamine is just Dextroamphetamine bound to the amino acid, l-Lysine. Once your stomach cleaves the l-Lysine, it yields free-floating D-Amp. This mechanism…

> Once your stomach cleaves the l-Lysine, it yields free-floating D-Amp. This is incorrect. – With all due respect! The action is enzymatic, and the enzyme is in red blood cells. It is slow. This is not the same as other “mechanical” time-release mechanisms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisdexamfetamine

Sure, technically, but read the FDA paper on it's pharmacokinetics.

Smoking, shooting, or squirting it up your ass won't do the trick. But injecting it would put it in direct contact with red blood cells, and so would rectal administration via absorption through rectal mucosa.

Lisdexamfetamine needs to pass through the GI tract where there's proper enzymatic activity.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6805701/

"The environment in the rectum is considered relatively constant and stable and has low enzymatic activity in comparison to other sections of the gastrointestinal tract. In addition, drugs can partially bypass the liver following systemic absorption, which reduces the hepatic first-pass effect."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898170/

"Oral absorption of LDX was assessed in rat portal and jugular blood, and perfusion of LDX into isolated intestinal segments of anesthetized rats was used to assess regional absorption. .... LDX and d-amphetamine were detected in blood following perfusion of the rat small intestine but not the colon"

"The intact prodrug, LDX, was readily absorbed from the GI tract after oral administration, with relatively high levels of LDX detected in the portal blood of rats. When LDX was perfused into isolated segments of rat duodenum, jejunum, and ileum, it was absorbed into the systemic circulation; however, LDX was not absorbed during perfusion into colonic segments. These findings indicate that absorption of LDX occurs via carrier-mediated transport in the small intestines and are consistent with the physicochemical properties of LDX (ie, high aqueous solubility of greater than 0.85 g/mL within the physiologically relevant pH range of 1 to 812 and low lipophilicity [logP–1.75, unpublished data]), which would predict poor passive diffusion across biologic membranes"

But hey, here I am arguing on my weekend about why exactly putting a certain amphetamine prodrug up your ass won't work. What are we doing with our lives?

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