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What is the best dumb TV?

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If you don't need a big TV a huge monitor is a good option. For me LG always stands out as a brand for it's low price compared to the image quality. They even have a 48" 4k monitor. Still not as large as a huge TV, but for most people big enough.

But keep in mind that the audio of most monitors is just bad.

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At a reasonable price Loewe make the best TVs that have the ‘good’ parts of smart, and none of the intrusive and privacy-invading parts. The interface is minimal, the sound and picture are amazing, and the units themselves look beautiful[1] Bang&Olufsen do all the above, at an unreasonable price[2] [1] https://www.loewe.tv/int [2] https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/televisions

B&O use LG panels. That's a big premium for privacy and a nice finish.

It’s hard to get B&O or Loewe in small sizes. I’d like a 32-42inch and this almost isn’t a thing. For some reason I’d like it to be 4k but this doesn’t really make sense at that size.

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I bought a Phillips dumb TV about 2 years ago after spending way too much time searching for a TV. The caveat is that it’s in the low cost range, otherwise my alternatives were extremely limited. In the TVs manual they mention multiple times and in a fatalistic tone that I must register my purchase with them and always install the latest updates. The register form needed my full address and phone number. And that’s n…

> the door pops open itself after it finishes washing). Incidentally this feature is a premium feature I'm not so sure about it being a premium feature. Maybe it's different where you are located but a quick search on German price comparison websites showed dishwashers as cheap as 280€ having this feature.

Would it ship from Germany cheaper than a high end wifi unit? Seriously, the Q has merit if "no wifi" is a deal breaker. Personally, I'd run a second open ssid, trap the ip and blackhole packets with a rPi

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I have a microwave with one dial. Best microwave around. Nobody can get confused about how to use it. There's not even a turntable so it holds more food and it's easy to clean. That's the Sharp R21LCF for ya.

Haha. I love how despite being so simple, it still has instructions below the one knob explaining how to use it: With the door closed, turn the timer to the desired time. Oven will begin operating immediately. To shut oven off manually, return timer to 0. It's almost as if they have to help people unlearn the crap they're used to with button microwaves wondering "Where's the start button?" and "Where's the cancel but…

Yeah, I really wish they would sell a version without all the instructions because I think it would look really clean! I've been thinking about just cutting a piece of aluminum to go over the front plate.

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Many comments suggest never connecting smart TVs to the Internet, and others rightly point out that the TV could seek out open APs. What about deploying some hardware to basically launch a deauth attack on the TV whenever it tries to connect to anything? Wi-PWN[0] looks like a fairly good starting place for this since it can be flashed on an ESP8266. It’d probably need some tweaks for this use-case though. [0] https:…

Putting it on its own subnet with crippled internet would surely help. Or at initial setup let it do it’s thing for an hour or 3 while logging, then block all the access that you don’t want (eg Netflix access only).

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ACR == Automatic Content Recognition. Basically it periodically screenshots what the panel is showing and sends it to their servers to see if it matches the programs they know about to figure out what it is you're watching.

I don't see why people aren't rioting in the streets about this, apart from the fact that there are currently bigger issues already occupying rioters. It's seriously beyond the pale.

To play the part of the average consumer here... why should I care exactly? I know about the concept of TV ratings so some families are allowing a computer to keep track of what they watch. How does this hurt me? Maybe if I was using my TV as an output for my home surveillance system I would care. Otherwise it’s just displaying content featuring paid actors or other people who are already being watched by millions on TV. Samsung or whoever they sold the data to is just one more viewer for that content.

I get that they can build a profile of me based on what kind of content I’m watching, but it doesn’t seem different from what Netflix or YouTube is doing anyway. Probably they’re going to use the data to show attribution for engagements on ads for media. Good for them I guess. It‘s not in my top 1000 reasons to riot personally.

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LG sells them as some of their "Business" tvs, intended e.g. for hotels. In Canada some of them are branded as "Commercial Lite". Here's an LG 65" 4k HDR dumb TV: https://www.lg.com/ca_en/business/commercial-tv/lg-65UV340H I have a similar model from a few years ago (purchased from Canada Computers fwiw), and I love it. Because I don't notice it exists. It just does its job, like a TV should.

Even if you're not getting a dumb one, I think LG has the best "smart" TVs around. Just don't give them access to the internet and they'll do the job of displaying anything you give them via a HDMI port. Integrates nicely with home automation with an API too. Oh, and they don't have ads in the menus like Samsung does.

LG's TVs are pretty bad as TVs outside of their OLEDs. IPS panels are good for computer monitors where you want color accuracy, fast pixel refresh rates, and good viewing angles, but are terrible for TVs because of their low contrast ratio.

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I got a “smart” tv and just don’t let it on the network. Problem solved.

There are other virtues of a dumb TV. Simplicity is probably the best reason for wanting one. If you're getting a dumb TV because it stays off your network, but then get ipTV dongles and boxes for it, then you effectively have a smart TV on the network. I have one and like it a lot. The remote control is beautifully simple. There is no complicated menu structure; it took all of five minutes to go through all the scre…

Could you clarify as I’ve searched and think I get it. You bought a dumb tv, then plugged in a sort of set top box that does stuff. Then you use that things remote?

Have you ended up with two remotes?

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If I can add an additional requirement to the question, what are good dumb-TVs/monitors that have acceptable integrated speakers (driven from HDMI) ? (To avoid "smart TVs", I got a nice Sony Bravia TV, from circa 2009, and even that has more "smart" than I'd like (e.g., linked to online services that were discontinued), but it doesn't try to get onto the Internet, it has a great 1080p picture, the remote worked easil…

Your best bet is to find a large PC monitor. There are a few 43" monitors out there with decent speakers. The predator CG7 is one I'm looking at.

How do you adjust volume or turn it on and off?
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