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I got a “smart” tv and just don’t let it on the network. Problem solved.

> Problem solved. I suspect that the 5g era will bring with it many more devices connecting unbeknownst to their owners, and that "smart" appliances will be first on the list. As that approaches, we need solutions that address this as well.

That suggests that tv manufacturers are going to pay for that extra hardware, and ongoing costs.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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LG sells them as some of their "Business" tvs, intended e.g. for hotels. In Canada some of them are branded as "Commercial Lite".

Here's an LG 65" 4k HDR dumb TV: https://www.lg.com/ca_en/business/commercial-tv/lg-65UV340H

I have a similar model from a few years ago (purchased from Canada Computers fwiw), and I love it. Because I don't notice it exists. It just does its job, like a TV should.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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I got a “smart” tv and just don’t let it on the network. Problem solved.

I let mine on the network so it will get updates, but I just don't use any of the smart features. I understand that some TVs (Samsung?) apparently track your activity and show you unsolicited ads, but as far as my LG TV doesn't track me and all the apps and smart features don't do anything unless I choose to open them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Problem solved. I suspect that the 5g era will bring with it many more devices connecting unbeknownst to their owners, and that "smart" appliances will be first on the list. As that approaches, we need solutions that address this as well.

That suggests that tv manufacturers are going to pay for that extra hardware, and ongoing costs.

They can recoup the costs with ads.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Problem solved. I suspect that the 5g era will bring with it many more devices connecting unbeknownst to their owners, and that "smart" appliances will be first on the list. As that approaches, we need solutions that address this as well.

That suggests that tv manufacturers are going to pay for that extra hardware, and ongoing costs.

They will. Because they are selling your habit data on the backend.

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I got a dumb external monitor for my laptop and then learned it doesn't have the right DRM for me to watch Blu-rays on it. Literally, I can view the Blu-rays on my laptop screen, but if I drag the window to the other screen, it won't display the video.

Sounds like HDCP. I've read that some cheap hdmi splitters will strip HDCP as an undocumented side effect. By strip I mean communicate to the player/source that the display/destination is compliant regardless of whether that's true.

> I've read that some cheap hdmi splitters will strip HDCP as an undocumented side effect

I haven't heard that before, but according to Wikipedia a master key was leaked or reverse engineered 10 years ago, so presumably manufacturers out of Intel's legal reach can produce devices that strip HDCP.

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I've heard of Ironcast.TV whose entire selling point is the lack of "smart" features, though I haven't ordered one and I'm not sure if they even shipped any, but on paper it looks nice and reasonably priced: https://displayy.studio/ironcast.tv/

I'm not sure what you mean by lack of "smart" features. Everything is controlled via an app. Sounds the opposite.

Yeah, but it doesn't look like it has built in smart features like Netflix, Hulu, etc.

I don't mind controlling my TVs settings with an app, I just don't want to have to deal with their crappy TV interface.

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The best dumb TV is a monitor with an HTPC attached to it. Also, you can find "LVDS converter boards" which are sold for repurposing LCD panels out of laptops and such, but they can also be used to dumb down TVs. You can buy a large smart TV just for the panel (which is the majority of its price anyway) and replace its motherboard with a dumb converter board.

> The best dumb TV is a monitor Can you find a monitor as large as a good TV for a reasonable price?

Not sure how large you're looking for - however, I use a LG 43" 4K monitor as a TV. Lots of connectivity - Multiple HDMI, DVI and even USBC inputs.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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I got a “smart” tv and just don’t let it on the network. Problem solved.

There are other virtues of a dumb TV. Simplicity is probably the best reason for wanting one.

If you're getting a dumb TV because it stays off your network, but then get ipTV dongles and boxes for it, then you effectively have a smart TV on the network.

I have one and like it a lot. The remote control is beautifully simple. There is no complicated menu structure; it took all of five minutes to go through all the screens, to discover all that can be tweaked. The remote has dedicated buttons for switching among the HDMI inputs: power it on and hit the button for the input that you want.

I like the separation: the TV is the TV, and the box or dongle is the box. You can ditch the dongle and get another one, while keeping the TV. You can take the dongle on the road and plug it into another TV wherever you are.

The dongle has its own control mechanism (own remote, or smartphone). This simplifies things. You know what is a TV setting and what is an IPTV setting, and talk to the right piece of hardware with the right remote.

There is fault isolation. If your IPTV dongle or box fries itself, then it's just the box. If it's integrated into the TV, then the whole TV is toast.

You can ditch the dongle/box in a few years and upgrade to different/newer one, while keeping the TV. If you're happy with the size, colors and resolution, and the thing works, there is no need to update it. It will work fine with whatever you're interested in four years from now.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Problem solved. I suspect that the 5g era will bring with it many more devices connecting unbeknownst to their owners, and that "smart" appliances will be first on the list. As that approaches, we need solutions that address this as well.

That suggests that tv manufacturers are going to pay for that extra hardware, and ongoing costs.

If a significant number of people start leaving their tvs offline maybe they would. Everything is so integrated now. Perhaps it would be on the chips as the wifi so not much of an extra cost?

Maybe it would be sold as a feature, like "Built in 5g hotspot!" or something like that.

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