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What is the best dumb TV?

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I don't have a TV, only a few monitors (it's very liberating, actually). So instead I'll talk about my microwave. Yes, unironically! :D It has two dials. OMG how do I survive with only two dials? How do I program it? Well, the answer is, unsurprisingly, that I don't program it. Instead I crank it to watever wattage I need (usually the top one), and the time I think it'll take until the food I becomes hot. Aaaand that…

Ok, I'll ask. Which Microwave do you have?

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Some people are suggesting just don't connect your smart TV to the internet, others are suggesting it might still connect to open (unsecured) Wi-Fi networks. Is there any major brand of smart TV's that will attempt to connect to open networks, in order to download updates, ads, send back data, without your consent? I've never in my life had a Wi-Fi-enabled device that would connect to a network I didn't tell it to, a…

This reddit user said their Samsung TV connected to a nearby open WiFi AP. see https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/bpr6xs/if_you_choo...

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On another note, I've been wondering how much digital TV protocols themselves can be used to track individual viewers. Some stations have prompted me to accept their privacy policy (via a "red button" interface) where they also mention cookies (on the TV iirc). Most of us probably know a lot about about protocol families like the web and TCP/IP but digital television and radio seem to be a bit overlooked. Does anyone…

Terrestrial TV and radio are probably safe from tracking. The set-top boxes that the cable/satellite company gives you... not so much.

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Many comments suggest never connecting smart TVs to the Internet, and others rightly point out that the TV could seek out open APs. What about deploying some hardware to basically launch a deauth attack on the TV whenever it tries to connect to anything? Wi-PWN[0] looks like a fairly good starting place for this since it can be flashed on an ESP8266. It’d probably need some tweaks for this use-case though. [0] https:…

Is that cheaper than just buying a dumb TV?

Nowadays anything mid or high range you pretty much have to get a smart TV, or a commercial "dumb" unit that's overpriced. During my last TV search a few years ago I wasn't able to find a good mid range TV that wasn't smart.

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I don't have a TV, only a few monitors (it's very liberating, actually). So instead I'll talk about my microwave. Yes, unironically! :D It has two dials. OMG how do I survive with only two dials? How do I program it? Well, the answer is, unsurprisingly, that I don't program it. Instead I crank it to watever wattage I need (usually the top one), and the time I think it'll take until the food I becomes hot. Aaaand that…

You have an actual variable power microwave? Not a duty cycle power control??

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Along those lines are the commercial display panels intended for digital signage and advertising use. They usually have a very bright picture, are very durable, and have typically been quite expensive but that seems to be changing. Here are some LG commercial displays ranging from 43" to 86" and priced from $745 to $3,850: https://www.displays2go.com/P-42023/86-Inch-4K-Ultra-HD-TV-A... Here is a brief article from 20…

Don't those signage panels have godawful refresh rates though, like 10hz? I believe it's part of the reliability tradeoff

They used to but now since video is popular they don’t. But they have poor blacks.

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I absolutely adore my totally dumb $650 48" JVC 4K LED TV. NFI on input lag stats but I game (offline) and it looks beautiful and my SO games (online) and doesn't have issues outside Australian fraudband speeds. It's got pretty much the same operating system as the ~15 year old cheapo TV (22" 1080i) it replaced. It just works. It's perfect for our usage and I hope it will last as long as the 1080i TV did. I'm trying…

Another vote for JVC. My 58" was half the price of so-called smart TVs and looks great.

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I got a “smart” tv and just don’t let it on the network. Problem solved.

Far from it. The problem with smart TVs is that they provide an inferior experience to a dumb TV. They have sluggish menu systems, are slow to switch between inputs and startup times frequently measured in 10s of seconds. Compare that to dumb TVs that switch on in less than 2 seconds and respond immediately. Then there’s of course the ads and spying that you can avoid by not letting it on the network.

I second this. Every smart TV I've used has had an annoying "bootup" time, between 2-5 seconds, just to display the menus. Dumb TVs I've used have all displayed a menu in < 1 second.

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I don't have a TV, only a few monitors (it's very liberating, actually). So instead I'll talk about my microwave. Yes, unironically! :D It has two dials. OMG how do I survive with only two dials? How do I program it? Well, the answer is, unsurprisingly, that I don't program it. Instead I crank it to watever wattage I need (usually the top one), and the time I think it'll take until the food I becomes hot. Aaaand that…

Ok, I'll ask. Which Microwave do you have?

I don’t know if this is the same one, but a quick Google came up with the Turbo Air Radiance Series TMW-1100NM. Never seen these but I want one, microwave UIs are the worst.

That’s more of a commercial one, a cheaper version (Impecca) came up too but the link was broken.

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