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What is the best dumb TV?

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That's fine for now, but you just know within a crop or two there's going to be panels that insist on being connected to the Internet or they won't even display anything. And then once one or two companies have made that acceptable, they all will go that way.

As usual, _Idiocracy_ is a documentary from the future. https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/idiocracy....

I like money.

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ACR == Automatic Content Recognition. Basically it periodically screenshots what the panel is showing and sends it to their servers to see if it matches the programs they know about to figure out what it is you're watching.

I don't see why people aren't rioting in the streets about this, apart from the fact that there are currently bigger issues already occupying rioters. It's seriously beyond the pale.

Because most people don't know and/or understand. Look how many (often smart) people are bringing Alexa devices to their homes

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The Scepter 50" 4k TVs recommended in the article are $200 at Walmart. The quality probably isn't as good, but at 1/8th the cost that's a hard up-sell.

I have a sceptre. They're really good for the price and super reliable. I won't buy anything else. In fact I might go get a couple spares so I don't have to worry for a while.

I literally cannot tell if you are joking.

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On another note, I've been wondering how much digital TV protocols themselves can be used to track individual viewers. Some stations have prompted me to accept their privacy policy (via a "red button" interface) where they also mention cookies (on the TV iirc).

Most of us probably know a lot about about protocol families like the web and TCP/IP but digital television and radio seem to be a bit overlooked. Does anyone have any pointers to good learning resources around DVB, DAB and the like?

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no no no. this is bad advice. 1) "Some Samsung TVs already try and connect to open WiFi networks if you don't connect them yourself." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24629155 2) there is ethernet over hdmi - I would image this is another source of inadvertent connection. 3) samsung tvs require an ethernet cable to "update firmware" so HDMI works. 4) ACR - which will look at ALL the inputs. and wait for the next…

I have a 65 inch samsung tv that kept popping up on my network. I put it on an isolated wifi network once to get the firmware updates. After I did that I turned it back off. But it keeps trying to come back for just a moment every couple of days. I had to ban its mac address since there was no way to get it to stop in the settings or after factory resets.

Forcibly banning the MAC address of a TV on your own home network, that you've paid money for, really does sum up the state of consumer electronics atm.

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Agree. I use pihole + Roku with my dumb tv and it feels like a good balance. The pihole also gets rid of the big ad on the channel screen

Are there any issues with a Pi-hole'd Roku?

None that I’ve noticed. Been doing it for a few years

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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I don't have a TV, only a few monitors (it's very liberating, actually). So instead I'll talk about my microwave. Yes, unironically! :D It has two dials. OMG how do I survive with only two dials? How do I program it? Well, the answer is, unsurprisingly, that I don't program it. Instead I crank it to watever wattage I need (usually the top one), and the time I think it'll take until the food I becomes hot. Aaaand that's it. No programming. No fiddling or mindlessly pushing buttons in the hopes of finding the right one. Only two dials. One for wattage (power output), and the other for time. I think it's really great. There's even some indicators on the Watt-dial for thawing and stuff like that, but I seldom need it, so I usually just keep it rested on 800W. It's the required wattage for most TV dinners anyway. And hot pockets. Don't forget hot pockets guys. How would I survive without...... If you didn't get it, this is actually a post about UIs, and how much I love the book The Design of Everyday Things by Donald Norman.[1]

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/Design-Everyday-Things-Revised-Expand...

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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I got a “smart” tv and just don’t let it on the network. Problem solved.

Far from it. The problem with smart TVs is that they provide an inferior experience to a dumb TV.

They have sluggish menu systems, are slow to switch between inputs and startup times frequently measured in 10s of seconds. Compare that to dumb TVs that switch on in less than 2 seconds and respond immediately.

Then there’s of course the ads and spying that you can avoid by not letting it on the network.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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My advice is to stop seeing a “smart tv” as a feature and see it as an expensive piece of equipment subsidised by extra advertising revenue. Don’t get upset about this, just understand it for what it is. Now, what can you do about it? Easy, don’t connect it to the internet. They will tell you that it needs updates but come on, what is a security vulnerability going to to to something that’s only output is a screen an…

no no no. this is bad advice. 1) "Some Samsung TVs already try and connect to open WiFi networks if you don't connect them yourself." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24629155 2) there is ethernet over hdmi - I would image this is another source of inadvertent connection. 3) samsung tvs require an ethernet cable to "update firmware" so HDMI works. 4) ACR - which will look at ALL the inputs. and wait for the next…

>1) "Some Samsung TVs already try and connect to open WiFi networks if you don't connect them yourself."

This claim doesn't seem to be well sourced. It's essentially going on the word of an anonymous redditor.

Re: What is the best dumb TV?

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The Scepter 50" 4k TVs recommended in the article are $200 at Walmart. The quality probably isn't as good, but at 1/8th the cost that's a hard up-sell.

I have a sceptre. They're really good for the price and super reliable. I won't buy anything else. In fact I might go get a couple spares so I don't have to worry for a while.

I also bought a 65" Sceptre because it's a reasonably priced dumb TV. No issues after a couple years.
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