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Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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I never even heard of anyone being as racist as americans are when trying not to be.

I really hope you mean today, as in people who are currently alive. Have you read about any history, perhaps including European colonization abroad?

Were they conquering because of race or something else?

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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post #2

+1 from Australia. Our police kill more white people in custody per capita than black. I'm so over hearing about this bullshit here. The aboriginal people of Australia face real problems. The police isn't one of them. PS, keep your debates to yourselves too. Nobody cares and your media cutting Trump out of context is obvious and gross. You are literally becoming the fake news he always said you were.

Right, because there are 10x more aboriginal people in prison, that's not racist policing, that's just natural, is that what you're saying? “There is a sadly high level of Indigenous incarceration, I think it’s about 30% compared to 3% of the population,” Mitchell said, while interviewing the prime minister on Thursday. “But black deaths in custody, I mean, that’s, that’s a furphy, isn’t it? I mean, since the royal c…

Why they commit crime at such higher rates than the White population would be an interesting conversation to have. Unfortunately, it seems as if you're implying that we shouldn't police them equally because of their race. I cannot endorse that, and I would urge you to consider their victims (most of whom are also Aboriginals, if they are your concern).

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, because there are 10x more aboriginal people in prison, that's not racist policing, that's just natural, is that what you're saying? “There is a sadly high level of Indigenous incarceration, I think it’s about 30% compared to 3% of the population,” Mitchell said, while interviewing the prime minister on Thursday. “But black deaths in custody, I mean, that’s, that’s a furphy, isn’t it? I mean, since the royal c…

No, that isn't racist at all. Unfortunate, an injustice, a tragedy, a disaster, a systemic failure to integrate, yes. But racist? You're going to have to spell that one out for me. Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs. Talk about the real problem not the symptom, but whatever you do, don't start calling all whi…

Yeah, a tragic injustice that only happens to aboriginal people. If only we could do something.

Edited to respond to your edits:

> Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist.

Unqualified statements asserting that a specific racial group "just commit more crime" is pretty much an applied definition of the word "racist". Isolated statistics about aboriginal behaviour used to buttress your assertion that you are not racist, just seem to underline the fact that perhaps you have much to learn.

If you'd said, "statistically, aboriginal people commit more crime. Studies have shown that this is because of chronic health and economic issues which have never been adequately addressed by any Australian government", that would probably not be racist, but I'd want to defer to an aboriginal person before putting my neck out too far on that one either.

One of the difficult things about racism is that it does not matter how we (ie, people of European descent) feel about it, but how the people we're talking about feel about it.

> Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs

What problem are you talking about? The problem that we invaded their land, shot them, stole their children, and to this day oppress them both economically and legally?

> all that does is alienate allies and make you look like a moron

No ally of mine is going to be alienated or offended by simple statements of truth.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because it was Britain that started all this mess with slavery and human trafficking, so Britons should indeed try to repent, or some day face the wrath of the whole world.

Britain did more to end slavery than to start it (though it did also benefit greatly from it in between).

That's probably what makes you feel better, but nope, your kingdom was built through exploitation, killing and looting.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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>I have privilege as a White person because I can do all of these things without thinking twice about it … I can go jogging (#AmaudArbery). I can relax in the comfort of my own home (#BothemSean and #AtatianaJefferson). I can ask for help after being in a car crash (#Jonathan Ferrell and #RenishaMcBride). I can have a cellphone (#StephonClark). I can leave a party to get to safety (#JordanEdwards). I can play loud mu…

For your last paragraph, check out Douglas Murray's Madness of Crowds (best consumed as audiobook imo): https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Madness-of-Crowds-Audiobook/1...

Great analysis of how we got here.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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> All the individuals listed are American, but most of the people who have shared this on my timeline are British. In trying to express their solidarity with black Britons Aren't they trying to express their solidarity with black Americans? Just because it's happening outside of your country of residence, doesn't mean your compassion and empathy ends at the border.

Maybe because it was Britain that started all this mess with slavery and human trafficking, so Britons should indeed try to repent, or some day face the wrath of the whole world.

Nah mate. You need to keep reading.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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I don't know where US Americans got the idea about social justice and all these tangential topics related to it.

In my view the result is that social justice nearly stands for race segregation, inclusion and diversity is almost synomymous with banning outsiders and heretics, methods of societal analysis lead to the worst kind of dogmatism.

At first I honestly thought the teachings of some proponents were to troll in the original sense of the word, but they were completely serious about it.

'Social justice' is far better than 'justice' in my opinion, but it can never be an argument to demand solidarity because that will inevitably lead to totalitarianism.

The "classical" US citizen that proudly swings their flag, shoots holes in the sky and idolizes freedom is a much more attractive alternative.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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American cultural influence has always been substantial, but since Trump and the hyper-interesting reality TV politics of recent years... it's on a hole new level.

Here (in Ireland), the Brexit show (slightly receding) and Trump show have eclipsed local politics by a long shot. ROI politics are a distant fourth (after NI), in terms of affecting the local political conversation. It has become truly absurd. The average person can name far more politicians in the US or UK than locally.

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