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Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by wesleywt »

waheoo wrote: post #2

+1 from Australia. Our police kill more white people in custody per capita than black. I'm so over hearing about this bullshit here. The aboriginal people of Australia face real problems. The police isn't one of them. PS, keep your debates to yourselves too. Nobody cares and your media cutting Trump out of context is obvious and gross. You are literally becoming the fake news he always said you were.

-1 for Australia. Its a pretty racists country. And you forget FoxNews is a transplant of the Rupert Murdoch's empire that he established in Australia. Thier propaganda in support of Trump is obvious and gross. But you as an Australia probably grew up with this type of media surrounding you.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by throwawayinfo »

raziel2p wrote: post #9

I think one of the reasons this simplification is happening, is that nuance generally has failed to gain traction in the past. A large part of why the far right / racist movement has grown a lot the past 20 years or so is that their narrative is so simple: "Immigrants have higher crime rates and we're taking in more immigrants, which is bad." Fighting this with nuance and trying to say that statistics is more complic…

> Immigrants have higher crime rates and we're taking in more immigrants, which is bad.

This statement isn't the issue. What is an issue is that the establishment isn't willing to have a real discussion on this topic (illegal immigration, cultural dilution, economic benefits, etc...). The rise of far right and far left rhetoric is an expected response to the status quo, where people feel pushed into opposing tribes.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by vinay427 »

nathias wrote: post #7

I never even heard of anyone being as racist as americans are when trying not to be.

I really hope you mean today, as in people who are currently alive. Have you read about any history, perhaps including European colonization abroad?

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by viraptor »

gambiting wrote: post #6

The problem exists elsewhere too, because of the extremely widespread proliferation of American media - I see the Polish media taking american talking points about race, sexuality, religion, and just transplanting them wholesale into the Polish frame of reference as if they were equally important here - more often than not, they simply aren't. While racism is a problem in Poland, it's not a systematic racism like in…

Yup, Poland would be very different even just from daily experience. In 20 years of living there, I have not only not interacted, but not seen a single black person. And I expect that would be the same case for majority of people. Any racism would likely be more personal or based off silly stereotypes rather than systemic. (Not that it wouldn't exist completely)

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by jl6 »

meiraleal wrote: post #24
lewispollard wrote: post #14

> All the individuals listed are American, but most of the people who have shared this on my timeline are British. In trying to express their solidarity with black Britons Aren't they trying to express their solidarity with black Americans? Just because it's happening outside of your country of residence, doesn't mean your compassion and empathy ends at the border.

Maybe because it was Britain that started all this mess with slavery and human trafficking, so Britons should indeed try to repent, or some day face the wrath of the whole world.

Britain did more to end slavery than to start it (though it did also benefit greatly from it in between).

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

HowFarFallen wrote: post #26

>I have privilege as a White person because I can do all of these things without thinking twice about it … I can go jogging (#AmaudArbery). I can relax in the comfort of my own home (#BothemSean and #AtatianaJefferson). I can ask for help after being in a car crash (#Jonathan Ferrell and #RenishaMcBride). I can have a cellphone (#StephonClark). I can leave a party to get to safety (#JordanEdwards). I can play loud mu…

It's an (american) election year, so that would explain most of the politics and propaganda behind that.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by meiraleal »

xondono wrote: post #23

I’m going to pull an unimaginable outside-of-the-box thinking for these times and propose something: if people want to be doctors and not actors, let them do what they want to do . I’m getting very tired of this US mania with nudging everyone to their preferred outputs.

If you "let" people be whatever they want, we'll have an unlimited herd of digital influencers and coaches, all of them poor.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by jsiepkes »

lewispollard wrote: post #14

> All the individuals listed are American, but most of the people who have shared this on my timeline are British. In trying to express their solidarity with black Britons Aren't they trying to express their solidarity with black Americans? Just because it's happening outside of your country of residence, doesn't mean your compassion and empathy ends at the border.

While solidarity is a good thing what happens is that due to the (multiplying) effect of social media it overrides and dominates the local debate. The issues that are suddenly pushed to the front are not the issues we need to be dealing with over here in order to do something about racism or to improve our society.

For example here in the Netherlands neighbourhoods are built in a way to mix people of all social standings. A gay couple has a bigger chance of getting attacked on the street then a person of any colour or background has of being shot by the police.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by simonklitj »

gambiting wrote: post #6

The problem exists elsewhere too, because of the extremely widespread proliferation of American media - I see the Polish media taking american talking points about race, sexuality, religion, and just transplanting them wholesale into the Polish frame of reference as if they were equally important here - more often than not, they simply aren't. While racism is a problem in Poland, it's not a systematic racism like in…

We've got to ask ourselves why the media takes on the American talking points, then? Where is the searching of ones own culture and country, so that we might face-off with the unique problems we then have in our countries? Is this a problem of journalism, or is it because it is easier to adopt american problems, and thereby neglect our own, real problems?
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