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Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by edm0nd »

antoncohen wrote: post #536
BlueGh0st wrote: post #472

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How? I read so many felon success stories but I'm a non-violent felon and I can't even get an entry-level interview in IT. I'm multiskilled with a huge focus on security but despite the demand, I've had so much trouble. In fact, in one very sad case, I showed up to my first day of work as a sys admin and was walked out after 2 hours because the HR department neglected to go over my application and see the felony chec…

Move to San Francisco. Employers aren't allowed ask about arrests or conviction on a job application. They aren't allowed to do background checks until they have offered you the job. They can only consider convictions directly related to the job. And if they reject you because of a background check, they must notify you, allow you to respond, and reconsider based on the response. https://sfgov.org/olse/fair-chance-or…

No wonder everyone is shitting on the streets lmao what in the fuck

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by ccktlmazeltov »

antoncohen wrote: post #540
ccktlmazeltov wrote: post #506

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that literally never happened to me

Have you ever filled out an actual job application in the US? I'm pretty sure every job application I've filled out until San Francisco passed the Fair Chance Ordinance has asked if I have any convictions, and some have asked about arrests (which is crazy). And every job I can remember has done a background check.

wait what's a "job application"?

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by crowf »

dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #491
deathgrips wrote: post #477

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>and learned not to steal That's the issue at hand. Serving a prison sentence doesn't mean that you have learned not to steal. It's difficult for the company to verify that you have "learned your lesson".

What will satisfy you then? Should people who come out from prison for stealing sit around jobless since nobody trusts them? That's bound to get them back into prison.

I would be satisfied if there was a proper criminal justice system. Unfortunately, in the US (and most of the world) that is not the case, and former prisoners are more likely to commit crime than people who have never been in prison. I know that is "unfair", but I chose to live in a safe neighborhood and work with safe people. It is not my job to put my safety on the line in order to try to rehabilitate a criminal.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by incompatible »

ManBlanket wrote: post #528
anon55555 wrote: post #69

Hey, posting anonymously here since this hits close to home; as I'm also a felon. I learned to program _after_ all my legal troubles started, and my sentence wasn't _nearly_ as long as this (6 months, drug crime). I 100% honestly feel like tech saved my life. My first job immediately gave me hope that I'm not defined by my past. Went from working in a factory making $7/hr (about 10 yrs ago), to now grossing well over…

I also have a felony on my record and struggled immensely because of a long wrap sheet of misdemeanor crimes that seemed to cascade from that single mistake. My record has caused me to be fired from and denied several jobs, and at my lowest point I was kicked out of an education program despite succeeding otherwise. "None of my charges are violent or sexual. There's no reason to conclude I'd be a danger to children.…

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in this situation decide, at some point, that if society is going to treat them as a criminal forever, then they may as well make a life out of crime.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by dhosek »

hnracer wrote: post #512
dhosek wrote: post #509

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Yes. There is abundant evidence of this.

Link?

I found this with literally 30 seconds of googling. https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...

Don't be willfully ignorant and don't expect other people to do your homework.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by dhosek »

hnracer wrote: post #512
dhosek wrote: post #509

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Yes. There is abundant evidence of this.

Link?

Also, here's a lengthy summary of a wide variety of instances of racial bias in the justice system from policing to sentencing and so forth with links to primary sources. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/system...

Again, don't be willfully ignorant and don't expect other people to do your homework for you.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by [deleted] »

Aeolun wrote: post #534
oopsiforgot7 wrote: post #483

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> security That might be your problem. From what I heard it's a more sensitive role so they will take a stricter stance.

So? They may take a stricter stance, but I just fail to see how anything but extortion or treason really applies to working in security. Hell, even if you committed a murder that doesn’t make you any more likely to steal company secrets.

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Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by [deleted] »

larrywright wrote: post #401
tomjen3 wrote: post #373

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If you beat a man up such that he suffers lifelong injuries, it seems only fair to me that your punishment should also be life long. I don't think you should necessarily spend all that time in prison, but not having access to trusted jobs is not comparable to being in pain every day for the rest of your life. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind if more punishments were metered out in the form of community service.

Your attitude towards someone convicted of a criminal act isn’t uncommon, but it’s short-sighted. If the judicial system determines that the appropriate punishment for a crime is X years, then at the end of that time they should be given a chance at a fresh start. There are limits, of course, perhaps you don’t want to give them a security clearance, or a job that requires carrying a gun. Someone convicted of molestin…

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Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by thaumasiotes »

nhumrich wrote: post #565
Aeolun wrote: post #534

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So? They may take a stricter stance, but I just fail to see how anything but extortion or treason really applies to working in security. Hell, even if you committed a murder that doesn’t make you any more likely to steal company secrets.

Statistically, it does.

> Statistically, it does.

If that mattered, all of antidiscrimination law would be struck down.

Re: My friend starts her job today, after learning to program in prison

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Post by abiogenesis »

EE84M3i wrote: post #569
ry454 wrote: post #485

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On paper, I'd be a felon for serious offences on at least 4 episodes. If the law was followed to the letter, and if somebody nosy had enough access and time to inspect the past 15 years of my life, I'd be serving at least two life sentences. The smallest offence is carrying a hunter's knife in my car: that's a 3rd degree felony as I'd discovered recently. In practice, though, if the law was followed to the letter, 90…

>for reasons I probably don't need to explain. I'm clueless. What would lead to serving life?

I think they mean that smaller things such as carrying a hunter knife may add up to approximately two life sentences.
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