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Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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Since when is $200 an outrageous amount of money for a seriously significant performance increase?

Since when it's a "serious" performance increase when "it boots faster"? Or if the first grep after the boot is faster (others must be fast since the file cache kicks in for every next one, unless you have, say, 128 MB RAM). Really not worth to mention.

It's not just booting/launching apps, everything feels snappier.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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On the subject, any tips on running a Mysql server on SSD? I've just taken the jump, and what I can find on the net seems more like opinions then solid info.

RethinkDB's site has a good overview of the problems with traditional databases on SSDs: http://rethinkdb.com/learn-more/

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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Because a $55 Samsung 1TB drive is 80% as fast as a SSD ?

http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/common_drives.html (HD103SJ)

I actually use the 500gb model @ $40 each, I have three that I rotate for full backups which take only 1 hour with a sector-to-sector based copy.

But seagate just bought samsung so best stock up on these drives soon as they are sure to disappear.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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Why am I not using a $100-200 SSD? Because my laptop cost $350, and my desktop cost $300. SSD's amaze me, and I don't need an SSD larger than 64-128GB, but the performance boost just isn't as important to me as keeping my rigs cheap. Oh, and when I need truly fast disk access? I use ramdisks.

Same here. I had a SSD for a week. It was absolutely underwhelming on my already lean and light Archlinux system. I returned it.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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As a developer, I'm more concerned about the lifespan of a SSD than a 'usual' user. That's why I didn't get a SSD, yet. I probably would, if the SSD will last long even when thousands of files change on a daily basis (compilation etc). But maybe my concerns are unnecessary...?

Hard drives are much more likely to fail without warning than SSDs. Modern SSDs use wear-leveling along with spare flash cells to increase reliability. To give one example: Intel warranties their X25-Ms for 3 years. They claim you can write 100GB/day for 3 years without exhausting the flash cells. The typical failure mode for a hard drive is for it to work fine and then completely die. No reading or writing, just dea…

That's not my experience. I bought a 128GB Patriot Torx some time ago and one day it stopped working completely. I lost all my data. They gave me a new one and 7 months later I started having data corruption problems. Now I can't even format it from Windows.

Maybe it was bad luck twice but I'm sticking with hard drives for now.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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My SSD has been the single biggest win for hardware for me in the last decade. Dell quoted me $600 on putting one in my new laptop. It would be cheap at twice the price. In addition to my perhaps unprofessional weakness for playing games, the huge win for me is that it slashes boot times for hefty programs, most noticeably the VMs that I do all my development in and, of course, browsers. Chrome boots practically inst…

Chrome opens fast on slow hard drives too.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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My SSD has been the single biggest win for hardware for me in the last decade. Dell quoted me $600 on putting one in my new laptop. It would be cheap at twice the price. In addition to my perhaps unprofessional weakness for playing games, the huge win for me is that it slashes boot times for hefty programs, most noticeably the VMs that I do all my development in and, of course, browsers. Chrome boots practically inst…

$600? Wow. You can get them for under $100 now, I got one for my dad for 60 GBP and it's made my 5-year-old macbook faster than my brand new macbook pro.

Seriously, if you don't have an SSD yet, go now and order one. Otherwise you're just wasting your time.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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Because a $55 Samsung 1TB drive is 80% as fast as a SSD ? http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/common_drives.html (HD103SJ) I actually use the 500gb model @ $40 each, I have three that I rotate for full backups which take only 1 hour with a sector-to-sector based copy. But seagate just bought samsung so best stock up on these drives soon as they are sure to disappear.

More like 1/8th. That benchmark isn't indicative of real-world performance.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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For a desktop, a 147GB, 15k RPM harddrive, bought second-hand, is the price-performance-reliability sweet spot. For example, a Seagate Cheetah one generation older than the current. Also, because I've been using XFS on it. With journal on another drive, performance is blazing fast -- and yes, including mass deletes of small files. XFS used on the only SSD (cheapest one, admitably) I have was performing terribly -- be…

Some of the first-gen SATA SSDs (based on the JMicron 601 and 602 chipsets) had nasty stuttering problems with lots of concurrent writes, but pretty much every SSD made in the past 12 months is going to blow away any spinning-platter disk when it comes to random writes. SSDs based on Sandforce's 1200-series controller can do 30,000 IOPS, sustaining more than 150MB/s with 4kB random writes.

You should probably investigate the current hardware (OCZ's Vertex 3, Crucial's m4, Intel's 510 series); it might surprise you just how much better it's gotten in such a short time.

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