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Why are you not using a SSD yet?

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Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#41

As a developer, I'm more concerned about the lifespan of a SSD than a 'usual' user. That's why I didn't get a SSD, yet. I probably would, if the SSD will last long even when thousands of files change on a daily basis (compilation etc). But maybe my concerns are unnecessary...?

Hard drives are much more likely to fail without warning than SSDs. Modern SSDs use wear-leveling along with spare flash cells to increase reliability. To give one example: Intel warranties their X25-Ms for 3 years. They claim you can write 100GB/day for 3 years without exhausting the flash cells.

The typical failure mode for a hard drive is for it to work fine and then completely die. No reading or writing, just dead. Flash cells usually become "stuck" after too many writes, turning an SSD into a read-only drive. Compared to hard drives, SSDs are much more tolerant of vibration and shock. I've had several hard drives fail, but no SSDs die on me.

Most importantly, I cannot overstate the performance benefit. Any machine without an SSD feels broken to me. Considering how much time most of us spend on our computers, $300 amortized over the life of the SSD is completely worthwhile.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#42

As a developer, I'm more concerned about the lifespan of a SSD than a 'usual' user. That's why I didn't get a SSD, yet. I probably would, if the SSD will last long even when thousands of files change on a daily basis (compilation etc). But maybe my concerns are unnecessary...?

If it's replacement cost you are worried about, I think an SSD will last on average about as long as your system, assuming a max 3 year upgrade cycle. If it's data preservation you are worried about (ie, if I wear it out and lose everything) then remember than flash memory, unlike spinning disks, is fail on write. That means that even if the drive dies, it can still be read. Compare to an ever so slightly misaligned…

I do daily backups for data preservation. So my concern was more for the point where writes may fail (of course the controller will care about it). You're right. As they get cheaper, I'll probably buy one this year.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#43
For a desktop, a 147GB, 15k RPM harddrive, bought second-hand, is the price-performance-reliability sweet spot. For example, a Seagate Cheetah one generation older than the current.

Also, because I've been using XFS on it. With journal on another drive, performance is blazing fast -- and yes, including mass deletes of small files.

XFS used on the only SSD (cheapest one, admitably) I have was performing terribly -- because it has to do lots of random writes

And no, a 15k RPM is not noisy -- both thanks to good bearings and human ear not being very sensitive at that frequency.

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For a laptop, sure, the available harddrives (7.2k at best, often even 5.4k) have terrible random access times; an SSD may be way better. But not on my desktop, not yet anyway.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#44
Why am I not using a $100-200 SSD?

Because my laptop cost $350, and my desktop cost $300.

SSD's amaze me, and I don't need an SSD larger than 64-128GB, but the performance boost just isn't as important to me as keeping my rigs cheap.

Oh, and when I need truly fast disk access? I use ramdisks.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#45
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Because it costs an outrageous amount of money. I'm waiting for further development of hybrid drives, which are SSDs combined with a traditional hard drive for mass storage, but seen as one drive by the OS. The SSD is basically used a huge read cache. Current models of hybrid drives from Seagate have only 4 GB of SSD cache, which I don't feel is large enough.

No it's definitively not an outrageous amount of money.

I have a 3 year old Thinkpad T61p with a still decent Core 2 Duo and 4 GB of ram. After three years it felt kind of slow so I had two options: 1) Buy a SSD for 250 Euro or 2) buy a completely new laptop for > 1000 Euro.

I went the first route and after working with the SSD for half a year I'm pretty sure that an expensive new laptop with a traditional hard drive would not have resulted in such a tremendous speedup as the SSD did.

So please don't think of the 200$ for an SSD as "these 200$ will buy me a new hard drive" but instead think of this investment as "these 200$ will buy me an awesome new computer".

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#46
post #2

Because it costs an outrageous amount of money. I'm waiting for further development of hybrid drives, which are SSDs combined with a traditional hard drive for mass storage, but seen as one drive by the OS. The SSD is basically used a huge read cache. Current models of hybrid drives from Seagate have only 4 GB of SSD cache, which I don't feel is large enough.

Tried the Momentus XT. It was good... But they have been on 500/4 for a year now. Also have an optibay enroute for the MacBook.

For my desktop I have gone for the Highpoint Rocketraid 1220. it's a two port SATA III <£50. Add a HDD of your choice and an SSD and you have your own hybrid logical disk. I am testing with a 500gb caviar black and an old OCZ Vertex 30gb.... Arrives today!

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#47
Because the performance improvement still isn't significant enough (for me) to spent 200€ on a 64 GB SSD instead of 80€ for a 2 TB HDD.

This article is the typical case of buyers euphoria... he just got his brand new toy a week ago and now wants to push it on everybody else regardless of their preferences. And he doesn't even own the thing long enough to find the bad sides.

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#48
post #40

Because I'd have to reinstall my OS from scratch, then all my apps, etc. It's a full day of work.

Yes, in the worst case it's a full day of work, but your computer will be much faster for _every_ day afterwards so the invested day is more than worth it. Just give it a try, I'm 99% sure you will not regret it.

Well, there's cognitive dissonance. After spending $2-300, you'd better not regret it :p

Re: Why are you not using a SSD yet?

#49

I'm using a SSD for the operating system and 'hot' files that I'm currently working on, and a harddisk for bulk storage. This works very well, and is much cheaper than going 'full SSD'. I do agree that SSD is the single greatest advancement of computer technology the last 10 years. It's such an awesome speedup. And nicely silent.

I do this too. The SSD is effectively another layer of cache, but one that has to be managed manually. I wonder how difficult it would be to write a filesystem that does this automatically.
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