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Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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Is there any brand of wrist sensor that doesn't require you to upload your data to their servers by any chance? I love the fitbit sensor, but I wish I could opt out of the server side of the things

There's a fantastic piece of free software for Android called Gadgetbridge[0] that allows you to use many of these "smart watches" without the first party app or servers. It supports Pebble, Mi Band, Amazfit Bip and HPlus and more.

[0] https://gadgetbridge.org/

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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post #13

It's crazy to me that people will run non-free software on something that is designed to capture biometrics... but then again I've been looking for a decent open source alternative and there is nothing out there.

I would be happy with a commercial product that simply stored data in a place of your choosing, like to a PC, in a parseable format. I don't think a product that was completely self-managed (no cloud) could be competitive anymore, so that's pretty much left up to OSS. I really miss software that didn't require internet connectivity being the norm.

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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Is it ignorant of me to wonder if the majority of the issues raised in this piece are either portrayed/worded poorly or just not very compelling?

>First, Google has the incentive and ability to favour the adoption of Fitbit over rival wearables on the user side, and to simultaneously undermine the ability of others to offer competing products to insurers and health providers.

I guess the argument is that Google buying Fitbit would mean other non-Apple wearables would be at a disadvantage by nature of there being a first-party alternative, but is that inherently monopolistic or anti-competitive? Isn't that essentially what Google has been attempting to do with Nest or the Pixel phone line?

After multiple reads, I fail to understand what blocking this merger does other than temporarily delay Google from doing what the tech industry is going to continue to do, exploit the ignorance of policy-makers and the general public to harvest and sell our personal information. Does blocking this merger even accomplish anything other than delaying what will be inevitable without legislative action?

E: forgot some words

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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Is there any brand of wrist sensor that doesn't require you to upload your data to their servers by any chance? I love the fitbit sensor, but I wish I could opt out of the server side of the things

The most bizarre thing about fitbit is that I can't even view my data on my phone when I don't have an internet connection... The data is literally synced to my phone over bluetooth and THEN transmitted to the cloud. But for whatever inexplicable reason you can only view it after uploading it... Very annoying, when hiking you often don't have an internet connection.

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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Is there any brand of wrist sensor that doesn't require you to upload your data to their servers by any chance? I love the fitbit sensor, but I wish I could opt out of the server side of the things

Most of the older Polar HR sensors didn't use cloud services but they typical worked with an auxiliary chest strap (it wasn't just wrist strap), they were mostly for monitoring your performance during physical activity not necessarily for the 24H wellness type of use-case that people usually look for these days.

If you are into DIY, you don't necessarily need to be a DSP guru, there already quite a few 'good enough' IC's, like the MAX30102 (Maxim) for HR and oximetry, it doesnt need any major analogue considerations you just need to implement the communication side (I2C)to extract data.

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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post #13

It's crazy to me that people will run non-free software on something that is designed to capture biometrics... but then again I've been looking for a decent open source alternative and there is nothing out there.

In this case I think the multi-device syncing capability is the thing that adds value. Or at least being able to sync the data gathered by the device to the cloud so you can access it through a separate interface.

If that is the case then whether you prefer a Google solution to a open source solution depends very much on your threat model. Google may use that data to target ads but running your own solution you risk losing the raw data to a security flaw in the open source code or infrastructure. At least with Google you get world class infosec to protect your data (from everyone except Google...)

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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Is there any brand of wrist sensor that doesn't require you to upload your data to their servers by any chance? I love the fitbit sensor, but I wish I could opt out of the server side of the things

Garmin doesn't require you to upload any data to their servers to get basic heart rate and other information. You can choose to upload your data to get more detailed information but the basic statistics are available without creating an account.

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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post #22
post #13

It's crazy to me that people will run non-free software on something that is designed to capture biometrics... but then again I've been looking for a decent open source alternative and there is nothing out there.

I would be happy with a commercial product that simply stored data in a place of your choosing, like to a PC, in a parseable format. I don't think a product that was completely self-managed (no cloud) could be competitive anymore, so that's pretty much left up to OSS. I really miss software that didn't require internet connectivity being the norm.

You can do that with the data/charging cable that comes with Garmin watches. It exports the data on a USB-MSD. I don't recall whether it's a CSV or some other format but they make no effort to obscure it.

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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post #2

What about Amazon and Apple? Why is Google the only recipient with scrutiny? Especially since the merger hasn't happened yet. You should be frightened about all of them.

I don't understand this whataboutism.

Google is under scrutiny here doesn't exclude others from being under scrutiny.

Re: Google/Fitbit will monetise health data and harm consumers

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn't have your health data. They are on device, and any work with the data (statistics) is also done on the device and not somewhere in the Cloud. They don't want your data, it's not their business model. Sure - Health data is backed up over iCloud, but this is encrypted and again Apple doesn't have a way to view the data outside of an Apple device.

Do you have a source for iCloud backups being end-to-end encrypted?? As far as I know, everything in iCloud is just encrypted (i.e. Apple has the decryption key). In fact, law enforcement often asks for data from iCloud because unlocking the physical phone is harder.

Health data in particular

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204351

Back up your Health data Health information is stored in iCloud and gets encrypted as it goes between iCloud and your device, and while it's stored in iCloud. End-to-end encryption requires iOS 12 and two-factor authentication. To stop storing your Health data in iCloud, go to Settings > [your name] > iCloud and turn off Health. If you aren't using iCloud, you can back up your information in Health by encrypting your iTunes backup. The information that you create or gather about yourself is under your control, and it's encrypted with your passcode when you lock your iPhone

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