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Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by withinboredom »

bArray wrote: post #28
littlecranky67 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in third world countries buy Macbooks - really? A decent macbook is several times above an average monthly income in a first-world country already...

Second hand devices they may, although I'm not sure how many people are shipping Apple products out of the Country given the large scam risk.

Oh, prepare to be mind-blown. Let me tell you how it works. Someone goes to the US (such as a direct flight to NY or ATL), they hop off the plane, load a backpack full of laptops, then fly back and resell them without paying import taxes or VAT. It works even better if the person flying is flying for work and someone else buys the ticket.

It's not scalable, but works pretty good when a group of friends purchases them.

Cost of MBP in the US: $2,799 (€2,390)

Cost of MBP in NL: €3,199 ($3,746)

Cost of plane ticket from NL to US: (pre-covid) ~€600

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by mindfulhack »

fsflover wrote: post #105
mindfulhack wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a user on a 2019 16-inch MBP (MacBookPro16,1) who hopes to move to Linux as my base OS on this hardware full-time over the next 12 months. ( https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux ) This is because I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64+ GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU (edit: to clarify, this is because of NVIDIA's notoriously bad compatibility with Linux), and other premium hardware aspects like…

> I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64 GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU, and other premium hardware like its market-leading trackpad at this time Only 14”, and perhaps less performant, but here is this one: https://puri.sm/products/librem-14/ .

Yes, I'm after 15"+ too.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by yholio »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #106
amelius wrote: post #102

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The more people use X, the more developers will focus on X and not on Y. From there, even fewer people will use Y and the downward cycle continues.

Okay, so why do your preferences for the device take priority over the majority of users who don’t care about what the T2 does and the ones who do and actually want it? Why should it be illegal for a company to make a product for us instead of you?

Clearly the majority has won thus far and Apple is not restrained in any way. But I have the right to a differing political opinion, and when the majority shifts, your freedoms are not encroached, just like when the majority of people decide smoking should not be allowed in airplanes.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by dbspin »

fsflover wrote: post #105
mindfulhack wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a user on a 2019 16-inch MBP (MacBookPro16,1) who hopes to move to Linux as my base OS on this hardware full-time over the next 12 months. ( https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux ) This is because I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64+ GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU (edit: to clarify, this is because of NVIDIA's notoriously bad compatibility with Linux), and other premium hardware aspects like…

> I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64 GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU, and other premium hardware like its market-leading trackpad at this time Only 14”, and perhaps less performant, but here is this one: https://puri.sm/products/librem-14/ .

The linked laptop lacks a GPU.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by starfallg »

coldtea wrote: post #92
starfallg wrote: post #55

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> Apple was striving for an ideal that is not achievable They are aiming for planned obsolescence. The biggest competitor for new MacBooks are old MacBooks.

Consider that their machines maintain the biggest resale value in the PC market (pointing to less long-term issues) and keep working fine for most people for close to a decade or so (including demanding pros in video, music, and graphics), they're doing a bad job at it...

That more or less proves the point. There is very strong demand for old MacBooks because they last. Planned obsolescence is needed to ensure that people upgrade. That can be done multiple ways. This is just one of the approaches and will of course take time to settle in.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by cHaOs667 »

mindfulhack wrote: post #73
aunali1 wrote: post #43

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The T2 was more or less a stopgap solution between their current Intel-based offerings and the AppleSilicon devices in regards to their security aspirations. My understanding is that there will be no T3, as evidenced in the DTK, which makes a lot of sense considering how identical these chips will be to their mobile counterparts.

I'm a user on a 2019 16-inch MBP (MacBookPro16,1) who hopes to move to Linux as my base OS on this hardware full-time over the next 12 months. ( https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux ) This is because I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64+ GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU (edit: to clarify, this is because of NVIDIA's notoriously bad compatibility with Linux), and other premium hardware aspects like…

Why without an Nvidia GPU? Just go with an XPS 15 or 17 and embrace Nvidia on Linux. I have three developers running Linux on HP zBooks with Nvidia GPUs without any hassle.

You can also buy any newer Thinkpad (my recommendation). They are also available with AMD CPUs.

It's pretty easy to buy Linux laptops these days.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by curiousgal »

Causality1 wrote: post #70
aunali1 wrote: post #35

Hi guys, I am part of the team working on all things T2. [1] The checkra1n support is just in a PoC state, it will successfully exploit and boot the T2. The payload support is partially broken, but being worked on. Additionally, we have SSH working over usbmuxd from a tethered device [2] and SSH working from macOS on device, with an SDK in the works [3]. Some key takeaways from the T2 being jailbroken: - Custom Bootl…

You guys are fighting the good fight for everything that owning hardware and being a user used to mean. Thank you.

I never understood this sentiment, if people choose to pay their way into a walled garden, why should they still care about hardware ownership/repairabilty, etc.?

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by garretraziel »

rurban wrote: post #45
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #30

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I'd guess many in third-world countries buy second-hand Macbooks, as they have a reputation (at least in the past) for lasting a long time? And are there any first-world countries (except maybe the US^^) where a 13" Macbook is several times the average net monthly income? In Germany, for instance, the monthly average net wage (MANW) is €2500, while the price of a 13" Macbook starts at €1300. Italy: MANW is €1700, Spa…

You mixed that reputation up with Lenovo thinkpads. Apple keyboards break down after several years with the touchpad and butterfly keyboard disasters are even unusable afresh. You cannot replace anything, and are way overpriced. Thinkpads on the other hand are like Toyota's

I got my Thinkpad Edge E530 replaced twice during warranty (motherboard problems) and my work Thinkpad T420s broke down one month after warranty ended, so I have completely opposite experience. I got no problems with IBM Thinkpad T42 though.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by johncolanduoni »

yholio wrote: post #113
johncolanduoni wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, so why do your preferences for the device take priority over the majority of users who don’t care about what the T2 does and the ones who do and actually want it? Why should it be illegal for a company to make a product for us instead of you?

Clearly the majority has won thus far and Apple is not restrained in any way. But I have the right to a differing political opinion, and when the majority shifts, your freedoms are not encroached, just like when the majority of people decide smoking should not be allowed in airplanes.

That’s a bizarre analogy to me, and you’re implying a symmetry to the situation that doesn’t exist. I want to be able to buy a product that has the properties that I want, and I want you to be able to buy a product with properties that you want (in part because I also want and own products with the properties you want). You want the only option to be products made with the properties you want, so that other businesses are forced to make more software for the products you want. Which of these is restricting freedom more?

I think you’re going to have to try harder to convince anyone that this situation is analogous to second hand smoke. You probably want to come up with better arguments for your “political” movement.

Re: Apple’s T2 security chip jailbreak

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Post by kuschku »

metafunctor wrote: post #95
gspr wrote: post #85

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> True, but to be fair, the same mechanism also blocks thieves from using and/or selling stolen Macs. That would be a fair excuse if the mechanism was under the control of the machine's rightful owner.

What do you mean? As fas as preventing a thief from using a stolen Mac, it is under the owner's control.

If it was about preventing theft, then the rightful owner could modify the keys and software without any worry.

But they can’t.

Because it’s not about giving you control, but about controlling you.

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