The main thing Cloudflare lacks for this sort of thing is a proper member directory with delegated access to zone edits/analytics/security stats. You can get this, but it costs a lot of money through their Enterprise plan, which puts small/medium sized businesses/agencies out of it.
Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
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Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is that what I just described? That's another 3rd party analytics system. The difference from GA is that you have to pay for it. Your data is still leaving your site, and being stored on a 3rd party. That means having 3rd party JS includes. That means it gets blocked. Did I miss something in buried text for a 1st party version?
I think they were referring to this, https://github.com/usefathom/fathom
Thanks. Seeing this link, I see the original link is all about their Pro version.
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#23I don't want to diminish the good things Cloudflare has done for privacy on the web, and I welcome alternatives to Google Analytics, but Cloudflare's mission is to get the entire web behind them and give them complete control over all their TLS certificates, traffic, and now analytics. They may be okay right now, but there is absolutely nothing stopping the next CEO, or some future board or big investor group from ch…
I don't see Cloudflare ever capturing even >50% of the market by bandwidth. Companies who have big enough demands (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube) are simply better off managing their own CDNs and I think that customer needs are varied enough that Cloudflare simply won't be able to satisfy all customers.
If you go along with the above premise, I don't see what the problem is. You will always have the option of switching CDNs if Cloudflare starts snooping in on user data.
Of course, if you disagree and think CF will take 100% of the market, then what you said makes sense. Personally, I don't see that happening.
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#24I don't want to diminish the good things Cloudflare has done for privacy on the web, and I welcome alternatives to Google Analytics, but Cloudflare's mission is to get the entire web behind them and give them complete control over all their TLS certificates, traffic, and now analytics. They may be okay right now, but there is absolutely nothing stopping the next CEO, or some future board or big investor group from ch…
I don't see Cloudflare ever capturing even >50% of the market by bandwidth. Companies who have big enough demands (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube) are simply better off managing their own CDNs and I think that customer needs are varied enough that Cloudflare simply won't be able to satisfy all customers. If you go along with the above premise, I don't see what the problem is. You will always have the option of switching CD…
Is the most relevant metric bandwidth, page views, or websites?
They may not have the bandwidth as you point out, but they have a pretty big chunk of websites. (Obv not 100%)
(That said, AWS has a lot more than “just” the TLS connection on a large fraction of the web, including all of my web properties, so yeah, who are you going to trust and for how long?)
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#25Cloudflare is a threat to privacy and security with their "Flexible" SSL/TLS option. With the click of a button, Cloudflare will happily strip the TLS connection off your visitors requests and proxy it over plain-text back across the internet to your origin. When I reached out to Cloudflare on this 3 and a half years ago, asking if they could at least inject a header like X-CF-SSL: Flexible or something to indicate t…
So i just migrated some domains there recently just for DNS for first time and i was really confused about that feature (some of it was turned on automatically).
Ux wise it seems they want you to have it on. Not sure why.
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#26I don't want to diminish the good things Cloudflare has done for privacy on the web, and I welcome alternatives to Google Analytics, but Cloudflare's mission is to get the entire web behind them and give them complete control over all their TLS certificates, traffic, and now analytics. They may be okay right now, but there is absolutely nothing stopping the next CEO, or some future board or big investor group from ch…
I don't see Cloudflare ever capturing even >50% of the market by bandwidth. Companies who have big enough demands (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube) are simply better off managing their own CDNs and I think that customer needs are varied enough that Cloudflare simply won't be able to satisfy all customers. If you go along with the above premise, I don't see what the problem is. You will always have the option of switching CD…
I've always thought of cloudflare as a plan to centralize the traffic that is not large enough to warrant their own CDN. All the examples you mentioned run their own content delivery in some way.
IMO cloudflare represents the death of the small player on the public internet, before it most small players ran their own internet-facing services, with it many choose to just run behind cloudflare.
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#27I don't want to diminish the good things Cloudflare has done for privacy on the web, and I welcome alternatives to Google Analytics, but Cloudflare's mission is to get the entire web behind them and give them complete control over all their TLS certificates, traffic, and now analytics. They may be okay right now, but there is absolutely nothing stopping the next CEO, or some future board or big investor group from ch…
People have said this for years, and yet there still isn't a viable competitor to Cloudflare.
They still have the best performing and most feature-ful CDN available. The competition is not even that close. Fastly is the only other CDN I could really consider, but their featureset just doesn't compare.
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#28Cloudflare is a threat to privacy and security with their "Flexible" SSL/TLS option. With the click of a button, Cloudflare will happily strip the TLS connection off your visitors requests and proxy it over plain-text back across the internet to your origin. When I reached out to Cloudflare on this 3 and a half years ago, asking if they could at least inject a header like X-CF-SSL: Flexible or something to indicate t…
While I agree with you, I'm guessing that the vast majority of the users of this feature wouldn't have SSL without it, so it's better in some sense?
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#29I don't want to diminish the good things Cloudflare has done for privacy on the web, and I welcome alternatives to Google Analytics, but Cloudflare's mission is to get the entire web behind them and give them complete control over all their TLS certificates, traffic, and now analytics. They may be okay right now, but there is absolutely nothing stopping the next CEO, or some future board or big investor group from ch…
Is good competition in this space ever a _bad thing_? inb4 capitalism bad arguments. I think that if ${BAD_POLICY} happens, a competitive market will produce a new "cloudflare"-like company that eats their lunch. There's a reason why GA has so many privacy focused competing apps, e.g. Fathom or Matomo.
Re: Cloudflare’s privacy crusade continues with a challenge to Google Analytics
#30I don't want to diminish the good things Cloudflare has done for privacy on the web, and I welcome alternatives to Google Analytics, but Cloudflare's mission is to get the entire web behind them and give them complete control over all their TLS certificates, traffic, and now analytics. They may be okay right now, but there is absolutely nothing stopping the next CEO, or some future board or big investor group from ch…
People have said this for years, and yet there still isn't a viable competitor to Cloudflare. They still have the best performing and most feature-ful CDN available. The competition is not even that close. Fastly is the only other CDN I could really consider, but their featureset just doesn't compare.
"They still have the best performing and most feature-ful CDN available."
I don't think thats true. Do you have an actual reference for this? I've used CLoudFlare heavily, along with Akamai, Fastly, Verizon, Bunny, etc.
I would say CloudFlare is the most approachable CDN with a wide set of easily accessible features. Its free tier is terrific too. I would argue that feature for feature, CDN's like Akamai have a much larger feature set, and are also far more complex to deploy.